Skip to main content

Get the Reddit app

Scan this QR code to download the app now
Or check it out in the app stores
r/movies icon
r/movies icon
Go to movies
r/movies
A banner for the subreddit

The goal of /r/Movies is to provide an inclusive place for discussions and news about films with major releases. Submissions should be for the purpose of informing or initiating a discussion, not just to entertain readers. Read our extensive list of rules for more information on other types of posts like fan-art and self-promotion, or message the moderators if you have any questions.


Members Online

How do you feel about the mission in Saving Private Ryan?

In Saving Private Ryan, the title character's three brothers are killed on the beaches of Normandy. Out of empathy for his grieving mother, a general orders eight men to go looking for private Ryan to bring him home.

Do you think the general ordering this mission was a good call? I remember being irritated when I watched the movie for the first time, because the scene with the general has pensive music playing, and seems to be trying to sell the viewer on the idea that this mission is morally righteous. But later, we see that the characters on the mission seem to be aware that the math doesn't quite add up. The general's intention was to save a life and prevent a mother from suffering more pain, but in doing so, he has put eight more lives in danger, and put their mothers at risk of grief. As we see in the movie, most of these men end up dying as a result.

And what about the effect this has on Ryan himself? When we finally meet him, he seems ok with the idea of laying down his life, and doesn't even want to go back. As we see, Ryan survives, but he has now had a horrible burden thrust on him for the rest of his life - he carries the weight of the seven men who died to save him - something he never asked for - and is told to "earn this." How can a man ever make up for something like that? As we see at the end of the movie he is overcome with grief, and I wonder if he ever felt like his life was worth anything as a result.

And the mother too - if Ryans mother had been told that a mission could be sent to bring back her son, she would likely want that. But what if she could see the events of the mission playing out in front of her, as the team is brutally killed one by one on the way to save her son? Would she even want the mission to happen then, even if it meant keeping her only surviving son in harm's way?

I personally think the general made a bad decision, based on emotion and lofty ideals, rather than the reality of war and the situations of those who fought in it, and as usual, the soldiers paid the price for his mistake. But that's what I love about this movie - it shows the horrific conundrums of war without providing clear answers, and leaves it up to the viewer to decide what's right. What do you think?

Share

Well, it is (kind of) a true story, in that they Army (I think) believed that the soldier (not named Ryan)’s other brothers were dead, and pulled him out of the war as a result (only to find out later that one of them was actually not dead but a POW). However, I don’t think much effort was required to get to him and nobody died, but that’s the inspiration for the movie.

Yeah, part of the theme of the movie is that the war was senseless, and it pointed out the odd ways in which life is valued during wartime. As a movie, it’s a fantastic conundrum and way to instill emotion in the audience, and drum up debate and unrest between the characters. It also creates that great moment where Reiban (spelling?) accepts Ryan right before the final battle, respecting him as a fellow soldier after realizing Ryan wasn’t some mommas boy that wanted to go home. Also, I think the structure is perfect, in that the opening sequence is so violent and horrific, that you understand why the general would want them to go get him as soon as possible, because every day that passes in that environment could mean certain death. I think that Setup is perfect because then you understand the “get him the hell out of there.” We’ve just seen “there” and it seems he’ll be dead for sure if they don’t go get him.

Personally it is the film that made me want to be a filmmaker. It’s fantastic. Really when I saw it at 12 years old, I was so mad about Upham being a coward, I hated it but still respected the movie. Now I understand it is a necessary aspect of the story. Still not a huge fan of his character though, and maybe the weakest arc, him cowardly letting multiple comrades die when he could have easily saved them, and only minutes later choosing to execute the German he saved from execution (which is debatable because I don’t think Tom Hanks would’ve done it).

Well, it is (kind of) a true story, in that they Army (I think) believed that the soldier (not named Ryan)’s other brothers were dead, and pulled him out of the war as a result (only to find out later that one of them was actually not dead but a POW). However, I don’t think much effort was required to get to him and nobody died, but that’s the inspiration for the movie.

The "true story" was that Sergeant Frederick William "Fritz" Niland H Company, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division: Fritz was close friends with Warren Muck and Donald Malarkey, from E Company, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division. Fritz fought through the first few days of the Normandy campaign. Nine days following D-Day, Fritz had gone to the 82nd Airborne Division to see his brother, Bob. Once he arrived at division, he was informed that Bob had been killed on D-Day. Fritz was shipped back to England, and finally, to the U.S., where he served as an MP in New York until the completion of the war. His brother Preston Thomas Niland was killed in action on June 7, 1944, in Normandy, at the Crisbecq Battery. And at the time it was thought that the 4th brother, Edward Francis Niland, was killed in Burma but was just a POW.

The idea to send him back stateside was a result of all 5 Sullivan Brothers dying on a single ship on November 13, 1942. The song "Sullivan" by Caroline's Spine is about them. Source: grew up 20 minutes north of their hometown Waterloo, Iowa.

Nor were the Nilands the only family to have that treatment- a couple of other families had their last surviving son sent home as well, leading to its institutionalization as policy in 1948.

Yes thanks for the background. I couldn’t remember if the exact surname, I thought Nyquist. But I know all that info is on the dvd bonus info. Very helpful to include it here because I did a piss poor job paraphrasing it all. Thank you!

More replies
[deleted]
[deleted]

Without Upham you lose that "fubar" aspect to the film and it could descend into maudlin territory

Disagree, tons of FUBAR shit happens regardless of Upham.

More replies

part of the theme of the movie is that the war was senseless,

I disagree, war isn't senseless, those american soldiers were there to liberate europe from the nazis and that was a very logical objective.

What is senseless is risking your life for a PR stunt, which is the point of the movie.

Nothing in the movie suggests it is a PR stunt. There are no scenes with reporters or where the general is concerned about what anyone will think. There’s no evidence that anyone knew about what happened except Ryan and the others that survived.

"Liberate from the Nazis". That's very loaded language lol.

More replies
More replies