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The United Nations Security Council slapped new sanctions on North Korea over its latest nuclear test hours after Pyongyang threatened to exercise its "right to a pre-emptive nuclear attack" Thursday.
"Now that the U.S. is set to light a fuse for a nuclear war, the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK will exercise the right to a pre-emptive nuclear attack to destroy the strongholds of the aggressors and to defend the supreme interests of the country," the North's foreign ministry spokesman said in a statement carried by the official KCNA news agency. "The U.S. is massively deploying armed forces for aggression, including nuclear carrier task force and strategic bombers, enough to fight a nuclear war under the smokescreen of 'annual drills'."
Later on Thursday, the U.N. Security Council passed sanctions aimed at North Korea's financial transactions and illicit cargo shipments, and its criminal activities such as drugs and counterfeiting.
After the vote, Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, said that the "entire world stands united in our commitment to the de-nuclearization of the Korean peninsula and in our demand that North Korea complies with its international obligations."
White House spokesman Jay Carney addresses reported nuclear threats made by North Korea on Thursday.
The vote was passed unanimously by the 15 members of the Security Council, including China, the North's one major diplomatic ally.
China’s ambassador to the U.N., Li Baodong, said China hoped to see the resumption of diplomacy to try to reduce tensions.
"We need wisdom, we need persistence, perseverance, we need teamwork … to bring down the heat," Li said. "This is our focus."
South Korea’s envoy Kim Sook said North Korea choosing the wrong path could lead to its "self-destruction."
"We all have seen (today's) announcement coming out of Pyongyang, which is very hostile," he said.
Responding to questions about Pyongyang's threat to carry out a pre-emptive nuclear attack, White House spokesman Jay Carney said Thursday that "DPRK will achieve nothing by threats or provocations, which will only further isolate North Korea and undermine international efforts to achieve peace and stability," in the region. He added: "I can tell you that the United States is fully capable of defending against any North Korean ballistic missile attack."
KCNA via EPA
North Korean soldiers cheer during combat training at an undisclosed location on Wednesday.
Earlier, a spokesman for South Korea's defense ministry told Reuters that the military was "watching the North's activities and stepping up readiness."
Saber-rattling?
On Wednesday, the South Korean military said it would strike back at North Korea and target its top leadership if Pyongyang attacks.
Tensions have ratcheted higher across the Korean Peninsula since the North, under youthful leader Kim Jong Un who took office just over a year ago after the death of his father, launched a long-range rocket last December. He followed this with a third nuclear test on February 12.
Earlier in the week, Pyongyang threatened to end the 60-year truce that ended the Korean war.
Angus Walker, a Beijing-based correspondent with NBC News' partner ITV News, said the current consensus was that North Korea did not have a missile that was capable of carrying a nuclear warhead.
"There is always a lot of saber-rattling when the U.S. and South Korea stage large-scale military exercises," he said.
North Korea continues military drills and exercises in support of a top general's threat to back military action against South Korea and the United States. NBCNews.com's Dara Brown reports.
The North does have smaller missiles, as seen during military parades, and South Korea's capital Seoul is within artillery range.
While the North has in the past threatened to hit Seoul with a "rain of fire," claiming it can launch 250,000 artillery shells in an hour at the South Korean capital, the reality is that those artillery batteries could be destroyed very quickly, Walker said.
War-game scenarios have suggested that a war on the peninsula would be over quickly, with the North under U.S. and South Korean control within 24 hours, he said.
However, Walker suggested the nightmare scenarios are that the North could somehow get a truck-loaded device into the South or launch a "dirty bomb" in an artillery shell.
Earlier this week, the Korea Economic Institute warned that Pyongyang could "certainly inflict serious damage along the Southern side of the [demilitarized zone] in the event of a surprise attack" using artillery.
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice describes approved sanctions against North Korea relating to the country's latest nuclear test.
It added:
Taken together, North Korea’s forward deployed long-range artillery could launch as many as 20,000 shells an hour at downtown Seoul ... However, it is important to underscore that these are best-case figures (from North Korea’s military point of view) and in all reality, performance and frequency of the bombardment would be much lower than the numbers detailed above.
...300 artillery pieces in direct range of Seoul is of course a serious concern for allied commanders. A “sea of fire” might not be the result in case of their use, but it is evident that tens of thousands of civilians could die and even more injured if they were used in an indiscriminate way.
The Korea Economic Institute also pointed out that North Korea "reportedly has chemical munitions" that could be fired using artillery. In 2011, Pyongyang reportedly had 1.2 military personnel at its disposal.
The youngest son of Kim Jong Il succeeded his late father in 2011, becoming the third member of his family to rule the unpredictable and reclusive communist state.
Next steps
Seoul-based analyst Daniel Pinkston, North East Asia deputy project director with the International Crisis Group, said North Korea’s comments were "a little bit more serious" than its usual hostile rhetoric. He said Pyongyang appeared to see the moves to impose further sanctions on North Korea as similar to the preludes to the U.S.-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Pinkston said President Barack Obama should respond by stressing there was no intention to invade North Korea. But he also said the president should warn North Korea that if it "were ever to use nuclear weapons it would be your complete destruction and all the leadership would perish."
Pinkston said it would be suicide for North Korea to launch a nuclear attack, and doubted it would do so. But he added "some kind of miscalculation" was always possible.
He said the U.S. had to stay in a diplomatic "Goldilocks" zone: It had to appear strong to deter North Korean aggression, but not so strong that the regime decided an attack was imminent.
"I think displaying a formidable amount of force that’s credible and can impose huge costs on them, I think that gets their attention and they are more likely to behave themselves," Pinkston said.
NBC News staff writer Kari Huus, Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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This story was originally published on Thu Mar 7, 2013 4:36 AM EST
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Why do we continue to "negotiate" with the North Koreas and Irans of the world? They have proven time and again that they cannot be trusted, they never negotiate in good faith, and they are out to either stall for time or get as much free food/money as they can before they pull their next bone-headed stunt. ENOUGH already. ALL aid should be cut off immediately, they should be isolated by the world community, and if they even dare to fire ONE nuke (or give said nuke to some rogue terrorist group), the contents of a few North Dakota silos (or an entire "boomer" sub) should be unleashed upon them. END OF STORY!
pwn, This is what happens when you don't finish a job. Everywhere we have ever been militarily we spend billions then walk away with the job half done. This is because we don't have a politician anywhere with a backbone.
Do you ever wonder what the world would be like if Maccarther was allowed to do his job?
@Dbeck,
MacArthur was a ruthless leader and pioneer. He was ahead of his time. He is missed! RIP Doug.
McCarther? I think you mean Gen. Patton who said we should go through Russia and china and end the possibility of world wars all together. He was the visionary. he knew these nations would bring trouble in the future. He knew giving Russia half of Europe was dumb.
We didn't give Russia anything that they didn't buy with their own blood. More than 95% of the casualties in the European theater of WWII were suffered by the Soviets. And we were more than happy to let them do it. They took Berlin all by themselves, and that was a nightmare. Then, ever since, there have been idiots spouting gibberish about the US GIVING Russia half of Europe. It wasn't ours to give.
BTW, the right wing militarist jerks will always deny the facts, since they live in an alternate reality. But the WWII casualty data are on Wikipedia for anyone who actually wants to know the truth.
He means McArthur, that was relieved of his command by Truman because he disagreed with him openly.
McArthur wanted to go straight through to Manchuria and settle it once and for all. Truman sent him packing, and we got our butt handed to us and settled for a truce. We are still there today.
Truman is also the guy that sat Patton down because he wanted to go into Berlin first. Imagine if he had let his generals fight as they wanted, instead of trying to save face or play politics, what the world would have been like the last 68 years.
And, 1/2 of Europe wasn't theirs to take. It belonged to the people of those countries. Stalin didn't live up to the Yalta Agreements.
You are quite right that Russia suffered severe casualties, although some of that was just their indifference to life and incompentence (Stalin had purged the officer corps shortly before WWII). They took Berlin because they WANTED to take it, so Eisenhower was happy to let them do it and stopped our troops a mere 100 miles or so from the city. I think that is not unreasonable to speculate if the battle for Berlin might have been less pitched if it had been the Allies approaching instead of the Soviets. By 1945, everyone in Germany knew the difference between treatment by the Allies and treatment by the Soviets.
Absolutely dbeckerny!! Also if Truman had listened to George Patton and taken care of Russia while we were already over there!
You are right too george pauljohn, but General Douglas MacArthur wanted to take Korea as a whole and invade China as well during the Korean War, but as a precursor to our future military failures and those of which not the fault of the brave soldiers sent to do our government's bidding in Viet Nam, our military leaders were ignored by the visionaries Patton and MacArthur. The past would have been extremely different had our government not hobbled the military with ridiculous sanctions and limitations! As an ex service member myself during Reagan's "war on drugs", I saw such actions by our government and this war on drugs is still dragging on some 25+ years later. Had we been allowed to do the job we were sent there to do and do it COMPLETELY, maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't still be cursed by the poison that is crossing our borders daily.
Politicians make war. Soldiers fight the war!!! Time for the US government to wake up and smell their own BS and let our military finish what we started in Iraq and Afghanistan. No mercy from these bleeding hearts that are limiting our military from wiping Al Queda and any other organization that dares threaten our citizens!
I don't believe nukes are in order, but we damn sure have enough conventional firepower to finish what we started and also chase Un into a cave or the rock he crawled out from under!!!!!!!
"North Korea threatened to exercise
its "right to pre-emptive nuclear attack" Thursday as Pyongyang
ratcheted up its rhetoric ahead of a United Nations vote on new sanctions."
Now that's just down right funny, that is.
Kim has been threatening to attack the US for a while. His father before him
kept up work on developing nuclear weapons all the while insisting it was for
energy purposes. Next thing you know, SURPRISE!, they are conducting nuclear
weapons tests. Now that they have the
capability, and the UN is threatening sanctions against them, they are saying
"pre-emptive nuclear attack".
Do they not know what that means? First you have to have someone
threatening to bomb you before you can pre-empt such an attack. Therefore, it
would seem to me, the United States is more in a position to launch a
pre-emptive strike than is North Korea.
And, cowtowntrucker, as far as 'nuking
korea years ago', that would hardly have been a decent thing to do to
'friendlies', as in South Korea. It's kind of like having a fight with your neighbor
and killing his entire extended family for it when a better path might have
been to just punch the dude in the nose. Of course, to extrapolate from that
analogy, that would escalate to a full out fist fight after he punched you back
and that, on the global scale, would mean another world war, which, btw, we've
been fretting about since Kim Sr. started tampering with the development of nuclear
weapons decades back.
Stevejc42? Do you need to get back on your
meds, guy? That incoherent rant of yours [#2.10] makes no sense on ANY level.
It just makes you sound like a slobbering, hate-filled racist with
not-so-latent aggressive tendencies. Okay. We get that you don't like the
president. But to suggest that anyone – ANYONE – could think to "…
sacrifice an American city if he thought it would … gain him votes, or …
advance his agenda." Is beyond insane on so many levels. Not the president,
anyone who could think that way in the first place to make such an accusation!
As far as Rodman is concerned, he doesn't come
off as being smart enough to be working for the government in any capacity so
the other possibility is that he truly is a dangerous ego-maniac and possibly a
traitor to is country. In which case, he needs to either head his butt to North
Korea and set up housekeeping (He'd surely be a BIG hit on their basketball
team!), or the US needs to haul his asterisk in for traitorous and otherwise un-American
activities.
Bottom line: If the mentally compromised
Kim Jung Un honestly believes he can validate a "pre-emptive strike"
against any UN nation, he will be sorely surprised when the majority of the
nations across the globe rise up against him. Sadly, It may well take a strike
against the US on American soil to move the UN to action – or, rather, an
attempted strike because you can be assured that the US and NATO Alliance
nations all have radar trained on North Korea to counter any missile launch. (thus
further confirming Kim's mentally compromised state of mind!))
Yeh. It would have been different alright. The US would have been viewed as an attacking interloper and agressor instead of the salvation of so many during WWII. They would have become the world's most hated nation 60 years sooner and the economic, social, and political development of the nation would have been insignificant because other nations would have either not had trade with the US or would have done very little. America would have been ... pretty much where China was all those years before traitorous, un-American US companies started sending American dollars to China's manufacturing industries. Not exactly a third-world country but not a leader of nations, either.
Butterfly effect, Larry. One thing changes, it changes everything else.
Time to swat the fly in the room. This man can't even feed his own people, he is paper tiger, and if he starts to flex anything China will take him out. We don't need to do a damn thing, because China will do it for us.
Reading through this thread, I'm appalled by the number of militaristic jerks who don't even seem to believe in civilian control of the American military. Why don't you just go live in a military dictatorship where you would obviously feel more at home. Patton and MacArthur were egomaniacs who bought their blood drenched glory with the lives of the men they led. MacArthur after WWII had a second bite at the apple in Korea, and was guilty of treasonous insubordination. Has it occurred to any of you that it's really bad to have a field commander who won't follow the orders from Washington. Not even the MILITARY orders. George Marshall was a five star general and Chief of Staff of the Army in World War II. He had commanded ALL the generals in WWII, and said MacArthur should have been fired before Truman actually got around to it.
"The North does have smaller missiles, as seen during military parades..." how did I know this all boiled down to this little guys tiny P.P.... men are so preDICKtable.. silly little boy.
People in his country are resorting to cannabalism and this bag of skin is the leader of their country. These people are living in an absolutely miserable life. Too bad Dennis Rodman didn't take into consideration the fact that the people there eat tree bark - and each other. Is all of Hollywood out of touch with reality? Nicolas Gage thinks the Somali pirates are misunderstood. Sean Penn worshippped Chavez - and Madonna thought him "Sexy".
Absolutely right "arslp!" I'm always surprised at the way the media fawns over the idiotic pronouncements of the pop culture icons of sports, movies, TV, etc. These people are simply not all that bright, and yet we continue to pay attention to them.
But then, the American public is not all that bright either. Just read this thread and take note of the calls for military action to take North Korea by military force and be done with it. And yet think about how "handily" we worked our will by military means in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, or for that matter North Korea in 1950-1953. But the American love and confidence for the military is eternal, however incompetent they prove themselves to be, over and over and over. American military forces haven't actually been successful at any of the wars they've fought since 1945.
Yeah. You, me and all the others posting today would NOT be here at all, as with most of the rest of the world, during that time....possibly.
President Truman did not want to risk a nuclear war with the Soviets over China. Would it have happened if MacArthur had his way? Who knows, but we are here today to discuss it. Truman didn't like the idea of playing Russian-Roulette with our country (mainly) and the rest of the world. Gen. MacArthur did not care or think the Soviets would attack over China, and he showed insolence to the President, which is why he was relieved of duty. However, he was extremely popular.
Gen. Patton could / should have been listened to, however, BEFORE Russia (2nd) and China got nukes.
While MacArthur was a brilliant tactician/strategist; Patten was IN YOUR FACE, straight UP! "Don't die defending your country...make the other SOB die defending his." Priceless Patten.
My bad...it's General "Patton", not "Patten". Ya see...he STILL commands respect.
So much chest thumping going on here with no thought to the consequences of a nuclear war such as, "Lets nuke em." Have any of you ever heard of radio active particles released into the air and prevailing winds? Do you propose environmental disaster to teach the North Korean kid a lesson?
Consider that the UN sanctions are working, otherwise the kid wouldn't be so blustery, especially since China is now agreeing with additional UN sanctions.
Keep runnin your mouths people, do you really think north korea is gonna do anything on thier own.. Also who knows if they even said anything?? Susan rice is a piece of @!$%# war monger, she could be starting something on her own, along with dumbo's help!! It would be a great time to declare martial law in this country!!!! Then dumbo would have control and could do anything he wants!!! Watch your asses!!!!
RAIDAZ, that was when we had great leaders. Now all we have are a bunch of wannbees!!!! They always blame the other guy. Remember, "THE BUCK STOPS HERE"!!!!
Kim Jong Un needs to go back to his Pee-Pee training. Huggies diapers just aren't working out that well for Baby Huey.
If this chubby-cheeked idiot can't fathom how much ballistic armament is pointed at him right this instant, much of it concealed under the waves parked right off his shores and within mere minutes striking distance, he has another thing coming.
tim @ 3.19 - Tim, you may not realize it but the hate-filled, vitriolic, one-sided rhetoric such as you are spouting reflects the same mentality that drives Kim Jung Un.
Go ahead North Korea, launch it. Our missile defense ships in Japan's waters will intercept it over your country, it can be your first EMP test
Maybe obama needs to have a little ono-on-one basketball game with the NK leader.
Or maybe truman should have given MacArther permission to nuke the south side of the Yalu.
North Korea detonating a nuke and threatening the US. Iran developing nukes. Russia starting to rearm and modernize. China upping its espionage and hacking activities. Africa continuing to fall apart and the Middle East is, well, the Middle East. Great time to cut funding for our intelligence agencies. Enemies foreign and domestic.....
How have they proven that? Quite honestly, if you think that OUR government is any better, you need to do some research. As for Iran, maybe you arent aware of that as well, but WE started it in 1953. You might want to research "Operation Ajax".
Unfortunately, I would have to agree with North Korea on this one...even though I DONT WANT TO SEE A WAR! If WE can "pre-emptively" attack Iraq, N.Korea can do it as well! The problem is WE think the US is allowed to do things that no one else can! Sorry, but that just isnt a fact! When we attacked and invaded Afghanistan, (theoreticaaly, due to 9/11) that was a legal war....However Iraq, that was illegal, and whether you choose to ackowledge it or not, it was against international law, which we broke! We terrrorized Iraq, we invaded their country, and killed their leader, along with many, many innocent civilians! Bush called for a *pre-emptive* strike, which changed the playing field, which broke international war crime laws, and we illegally attacked! Basically this calls for a "let me get them before they get me"....well, now North Kiorea is pulling a Bush...and we dont like it??? Why...they are within their rights..as much as it sucks...they are within their rights!
Dennis Rodman what do you think of your "friend for life" now? By the way Rodman is a clear example of why we should not worship sports or popular entertainment people as knowledgeable of anything outside of their area of experience.
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"The kid" is not likely in direct control or dreaming up these idiotic positions... it's likely his military puppet-masters. But, that aside, the "what-if's" painted by the wanna-be badasses on this thread sure aren't very good with their history. What MacArthur wanted to do and what was realistic in China's face and what it would have cost us are two different things. And, as usual, the wanna-be badasses never consider American casualties in their video game wars they imagine.
We are doing the EXACT right thing. North Korea is so isolated, hungry, and weak, that all they have are empty threats. Not even their BFF China will stand with them now. And, should they attack, without the steady stream of soldiers from China they had in the Korean War, they would be finished.
I'm not all that sure of the "finished in 24 hours" scenario painted in the war game scenarios mentioned in the article, but they would be finished. But, again, we're in no hurry to play that game simply because of the massive lose of innocent lives that would result.
But this is no where near as fun as chest-pumping and talking like a badass... like North Korea does.
Who need MacArthur? We have The Worm.
I call dibs on all Trinite created in North Korea!
Just think of all the lovely green glass.
I'll be rich, rich I tells ya!
The worm has turned North Korea likes Rodman because he belongs in a freak show and the North Koreans are eating it up like fish and rice. . . if they had any to start with. They want to go down in a blaze of ignominy and we're here to help Kim Jung None achieve it. Hey, Un go for it MF.
This is what happens to people when they isolate themselves from any and all outside influences and choose to live in a bubble, apart from reality; their population begins to shrink, they become belligerent, confrontational and eventually threaten violence. In the end, it will all either be political posturing and pomp, or we will witness an entire population commit suicide by the most extreme measures possible.
You paying attention, Tea Party?
JCB is absolutely right.. if North Korea does anything it won't be us or South Korea that respond first. It will be China. And China will literally obliterate (and eventually incorporate) the country, and they know that. China's standing in the world is actually the biggest thing "at risk" in all of this, and they don't want to loose all of the gains they've made over the last 30-40 years to their crazy neighbors antics.
Russia? OMFG that is hilarious. And is it Czar Nicholas II we will be confronting in this epic battle as well?
redbrindle banned for death wishing.
The North does have smaller missiles = missile envy
Not sure what the heck you're talking about but thanks for proving my point.
Interesting observation if not accurate. McArthur wanted to attack China with nuclear weapons. Could we have stopped the Chinese from driving the US back to the 38th Parallel by fighting a nuclear war with China and ultimately with the Soviets? Possibly, but at what cost?
If you have ever served in the United States Armed Forces you understand that Mutiny is the crime most likely to get you executed. I'm not sure McArthur realized what he was doing when he shot his mouth off, but he was a damn lucky man.
Why not, it was President Clinton's Belief that the Cold War Era US Defense, US Intelligence Agencies, US Military were no longer needed; before President Clinton as Commander In Chief Ordered the Chopping of the US Defense Budget*, Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies that left the US Blind and Deaf to the Events leading to the 9/11 2001 Attacks (Bipartisan US Congressional 9/11 Commission Investigations, Findings, and Recommendations with former President Clinton saying, "I'm a so sorry"); Cut to the Bone Reduction In Forces of the US Military that required President Bush from 2001 till 2003 to rebuild the US Military to accomplish President Clinton's US Policy Overthrow President Hussein in accordance with President Clinton's US Law H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" that became 2003 Operation Iraqis Freedom.
*Resulting in the US Army Corps of Engineers not having Funding for the US Army Corps of Engineers Infrastructure Projects within the US, especially the Levees at New Orleans before Hurricane Katrina, US Congressional Katrina Hearings that absolved the US Army Corps of Engineers of any blame, and reinstated the US Defense Budget US Army Corps of Engineers Funds for the Levees at New Orleans current project:
http://www.bing.com/images/results.aspx?q=us+army+corps+of+engineers+levees&form=MSNH14
Interview of McCullough Nov. 11, 2012. Morley Safer CBS News; McCullough: "We are raising children in America today who are by and large historically illiterate."
So here we are again, President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordered chopping of the US Defense Budget identical to President Clinton*. Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies. And President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordered Reduction In Forces of the US Military of 90,000 US Military, Unemployment of 108,000 US DOD Civilians, the change of the US Military Mission from Two Wars and Contingency Missions (including United Nation's Missions) Simultaneously to One War or a Contingency Mission.
*Secretary of Defense Penetta, stated, 2012, "A 10% US Defense Budget Cut will result in a Million (US) Civilians becoming Unemployed". President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordered a 11% Defense Budget Cut. Secretary of Defense Penetta in 2013, he will "go work on his (Walnut) Farm to work with a different kind of Nut".
Previously, Secretary of Defense Gates, stated during his last visit to Afghanistan that he would be tendering his Letter of Resignation in protest to President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordered Reduction In Forces of the US Military of 90,000 US Military, Unemployment of 108,000 US DOD Civilians, the change of the US Military Mission from Two Wars and Contingency Missions (including United Nation's Missions) Simultaneously to One War or a Contingency Mission. As more than a 50% Chop of the US Military.
Typical and routine for President Obama to refuse to listen to the "Experts", and demand their Letters of Resignation; General McKiernan, General McChrystal, General Petraeus, General Allen, General Ham, Secretary of Defense Gates, Secretary of Defense Penetta.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."- George Santayana
"Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them." - Sir Edmund Burke
By the way North Korea as seen from the DMZ have already dug themselves into the North Korean Mountains, to become US Nuclear Attack proof. During previous US and USSR Nuclear Weapons Treaties the US signed away those US Weapons designed to attack hardened Nuclear attack proof underground Facilities. When I say signed away that included the destruction of everything related to those US weapons systems, as if they never existed and were never designed nor tested or deployed.
And US Democrats do not attack Democrats; the DemocraticPeoples Republic of (North) Korea, DPRK, the full name conveniently left out of the Article.
As far as Nuclear Weapons generated Electro Magnetic Pulse (EMP) and lingering Electro Magnet Radiation (EMR) that will not affect the NorthKoreans as much as Nations with extensive High Tech Microprocessor based Electronics (Japan, South Korea, United States, etc.).
What we did to 20th Century Iraq to plunge them into the Stone Ages during 2002 Operation Hotel California:
Will Saddam Fall Victim to the Elusive E-bomb?
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=125336&page=1
Long ago a Nuclear Weapons Test (EMP/EMR) caused the complete power outageat Oahu, Hawai'i, and that was before the more vunerable microprocessor based electronics technology; 1960s.
How many of you know what happens to a High Tech Microprocessor based USN Vessel hit by EMP/EMR, especially those with ABM Systems, Ageis, before attempts to intercept a ICBM/IRBM. There was/still is a reason why the Chinese and Russian Federation still use Vacuum Tubes in their Critical Military Applications (as almost invulnerable to EMP/EMR).
As far as this article's, North Korean Artillery, has anyone considered that North Korea like Pakistan might have Very Old Russian Federation or Chinese Designed Tactical Nuclear Artillery Projectiles (10 Kilo Ton to 20 Kilo Ton Yields). With just one having this effect on US Ally City of Seoul, South Korea:
Histroy Channel: Day After Disaster (10 Kilo Ton Yield):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCme_K6MYLY
I keep telling you that it is just a matter of time before the Holy Warriors of Islam get a few (small in physical size, large yield) nuclear weapons and smuggle them thru Mexico coordinated with the Mexican Drug Cartels at Mexico and the US, and Illegal Alien Gangs within the US*. With simultaneous tactical nuclear weapons detonations at most US Cities like New York City, Washington D.C., Chicago Illinois, Los Angles California, San Fransisco California, etc..
*Previous captures of Holy Warriors of Islam coordinating activities with the Mexican Drug Cartels. Like Imam Said Jaziri captured at Mexico US Border, Hezbollah at Mexico, Hamas Foreign Fighters and Hezbollah at South and Central Americas (as the "Proxy Fighters" for the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran backed by China and the Russian Federation). I also told you about a certain South American Nation building Nuclear attack proof hardened underground ICBM/IRBM Iranian Missile Silos (similar to the old US ICBM Nuclear attack proof hardened underground Silos in the Midwest). In 2012 President Ahmadinejad visited those South American Nations to see their progress at South and Central Americas building the Iranian ICBM/IRBM Silos, and increased shipments of tons of container loads of Russian Federation and Chinese Copies of Russian Federation AKs, Ammunition, RPGs, etc. to arm South and Central Americas Military Forces, and smuggled to the Mexican Drug Cartels (that do not want the less reliable Made In Mexico under US License M-16s and M-4s to arm the Mexican Military, usually smuggled into the US and given to the Illlegal Alien Gangs at the US as the Enforcers within the US for the Mexican Drug Cartels.).
I didn't see a respond for this but in an earlier blog some one said Truman was afraid of a nuclear-er war with Russia and China. China didn't have the bomb then and ours were way more powerful than what the Russians had then and I don't think Staling would have been that stupid, but then again he didn't think much of Truman in fact if you ever look up what he thought of Truman it was worse than the KKK thinks of Obama
Would have been a onesided "Nuclear War" as:
US First Nuclear Weapons (US Military Weapons) 1945.
USSR First Nuclear Weapons Test 1949. 1953 the actual successes of the USSR Nuclear Program (First USSR Military Nuclear Weapon).
China First Nuclear Weapons Test 1964.
United Nation's Korean Conflict aka renamed Korean War, June 1950 to July 1953.
Yes and no. Obviously the Chinese would not have been capable of attacking with Chinese atomic bombs but they could easily been supplies by the Soviets with a few atomic bombs. Or since the Russians were flying missions against the US in Korea, they could simply have had their own pilots drop a couple on South Korea. Remember we didn't have full air superiority until the Saber's superior altitude flight was discovered to more than counterbalance the MIGs maneuverability. Then we had to figure out that we could drop on the MIGs from altitude. Considering the number of US troops in Korea during the war, that would have been a major disaster. Would it have decided the war? Of course not. But since we had already drawn-down from WWII, it would have been a stretch trying to invade and occupy.
Jong might better watch out..... there may be a drone with his name on it......
The USSR did NOT have Atomic Bombs for their USSR Military until after 1953. The Nuclear Weapons they did have were experimental and too large for most of their Aircraft including Heavy Bombers.
Having taught Nuclear (Weapons) Physics meant knowing about the History of everyone that had Nuclear Weapons, their Development Programs, Key individuals, their own CNWDI, etc.. As to why I was concerned about the Pakistanis Father of the Pakistanis Nuclear Weapons Program being on extended "Vacation" at the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran.
Why I am concerned about the Technological Trade Agreement between the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran (Successful Tests of ICBMs and IRBMs as to why December 2012 President Obama reversed his opposition to President Bush's Deployment of US ABM Batteries to Eastern Europe at Poland (President Obama, Romania instead of Poland) against the Iranian Missile Threat) and North Korea (Successful Nuclear Weapons Tests); Iran gets North Korean Nuclear Weapons Technology, North Korean gets Iranian Missile Technology.
A very long time ago while learning about Launch Platforms (Missiles and GNCs (Guidance Navigation Controls)), I questioned how smart it was for the US Deployment of Global Positioning Satellites (GPS) as the use for precision strikes using GPS GNCs against the US by the Enemies of the US. The Instructor did not have any viable answers at that time. Think about who Manufacturers most of the current components for US GPS, can you spell C.....H.....I....N.....A.....currently selling anything to anyone with money. China as the Ally of North Korea.
Unlike most I know that we (US) do not have Long Range ABM Systems, just short range to medium range ABMs, meaning the warhead is intercepted over the intended target(s), and minimal reaction times to intercept (maybe one multiple launch of ABMs, possible interference between ABMs), and if there are failures to intercept (unclassified 80% successful intercepts) then if MIRVs (Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicles, Nuclear Warheads, and Decoys) then those that evaded the US ABMs do get to the intended targets at the US. The previous concept of the US StarWars ABM System was to destroy the USSR ICBMs/IRBMs during the vulnerable Launch Phase (at the Nation launching the ICBMs/IRBMs, they have to deal with the nuclear contamination and or deal with the unexploded nuclear warheads (render safe operations after locating all of them, previous USSR Nuclear Weapons were not designed to be rendered safe (costs) nor even Two Person Control as Permissive Action Link (PAL) also due to costs).).
Where are the drones when you need them? Eric Holder wants to reserve the right for Obama to use them against US citizens on US soil, but when it comes to the real threats, like the NKs and Iranians, they are nowhere to be found.
The article talks about missile capabilities, but totally skips over the fact that NK, like Iran, does not need a missile to strike one of our cities. From the reports regarding the recent NK testing it is concluded that NK is working on a smaller warhead. Warhead's do not necessarily need to be strapped on missiles in ordered to be delivered and detonated. They can be delivered in a number of ways, such as by cargo container, boat, plane or drone, to name a few. Even a truck driven across one of our porous borders. All of which is why there is such a deep concern about Iran developing nukes, given their connection to terrorist operatives. And lets not forget the ties between NK and Iran.
Sanctions have repeatedly failed and will continue to fail. In fact, it is fair to say that in the case of NK and Iran they have actually resulted in ratcheting up their efforts to develop nukes and their delivery systems. As long as dictators, like Kim, and religious zealots, like Khamenei, continue to rule in places like NK and Iran, they will pursue power through military strength and brutality, because those are the tools they need to maintain power. And of course, if they can strike a blow at US or our allies they feel that their power is magnified. And depending upon what that blow is, it may even be crippling.
Statements, like the following, express a willingness and intention to target our leadership.
Having made that pronouncement it is fair game that their leadership needs to be taken out by one means or the other. Spare us all the problems and hardships of having to defend against and fight the bastards by conventional warfare by getting rid of the bastards.Cut off the head and save the body, They have opened that door via their threats, we need to slam it in their faces. Once the NK people are relived of the burden of their current leadership, the people of NK will then be free to join the family of nations and stand along side of SK as shining examples of what peaceful coexistence can be. And the rest of the world can breath a sigh of relief.Thereafter it should become a little easier in dealing with others that are heading down the same path, Iran for example.
BTW, Dennis Rodman is a total fool. Please place him on permanent ignore status.
Translation: "Though I cannot comprehend the knowledge you share because my brain is incapable of processing it; I just know I cannot be wrong."
Russia hasn't been a threat since Ronald Reagan helped the old Soviet Union into collapse, urging Mikael Gorbachev to "tear down that wall". The wall did come down, and the Soviet Union came down with it. It's all in the history books if you'd ever like to crack one open.
This is MacArthur's fault. When he crossed the Yalu river, against orders, into China, to try and force the President to use nuclear weapons against the Chinese, the war in Korea was lost. They had retaken all of Korea, but MacArthur's action brought China into the war and we have been technically at war since then.
Present: North Korea has 5-10 nuclear weapons. They are too large for a missile but they could appear by boat or submarine in South Korea's economic hub coastal cities of; Inchon, Busan, and Ulsan. They could also find there way into the harbors of Seattle and LA. Setting them off in a harbour will have a devastating effect on the adjcent city. (ref. Halifax Explosion). These and 1 or 2 to breach the demilitarized zone set off simultaneously would be a devastating first strike that only luck could prevent. All America could do is counter attack, with a nuclear counter attack. Troops would take a long time to build up numbers in the region, sufficient to deal with the 1.2 million regular army and 8.2 million reserves of North Korea.
The radiation would directly affect Japan, and possibly Russia and China, depending on the winds. It will then procede to the west coast of Canada and America. dramatically increasing future cancer rates. Radioactive particles from the blasts would enter every living thing within 2 years.
North Korea has always been a much greater threat than Iran. This is a very dangerous time.
While I applaud your efforts in learning history, I really do, now take your nose out of the book and look at the here and now.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/27/russia-army-upgrade_n_2773633.html
I don't expect you to know or understand the intricate details of world politics or military. I would suggest however not acting so snotty when you have nothing to back it up. Guess all that time I spent in military intel was for naught!! LOL!
North Korea, your drunk, go home.
don't forget to take his keys especially the keys to the nukes cabinet...
... and the keys to all his luxury cars and yachts, too.
The US is always dealing logically with illogical people. Send recon in there, and blow up everything that even LOOKS like it might support nuclear arms.
HERE WE GO AGAIN... The U.S. News Media has been ordered by some right wing Think Tank, hired by Congress & the Wall Street Powers That Be, to stir up vitriolic public response as a result of the broadcasting of fake news on a pre-emptive nuke attack by North Korea against the USA. This waste of negative emotion is all in the vain attempt to stir up the US economy by inducing The Prez to declare war on NK via overwhelming US public support; Congress would then have to appropriate Fed $'s to the companies of the Industrial-Congressional-Military Complex in order to fund the new war effort.
This stupid, old dumb tactic ain't gonna happen, kiddos. COULDN'T happen. THINK ABOUT IT -- NK does not have the capability to pull off this sort of intercontinental attack. NK is organizationally & technically inept. Even if NK were given a working nuclear warhead ICBM from some other nation, NK still would not be able to make such an attack happen successfully. The American Public has been feed a lie.
There's NOTHING to react to, kids... disperse, and return to watching the Brain Cell-Killing RetardFest that is American Television: Idol, Housewives, Kardashians, etc. Quit giving the media so damn much of your attention.
Tell the media, in no uncertain terms, that you demand Truth and Excellence of anything broadcast from any US media, or else they can all go F themselves.
dennis rodman help us out here
Sounds like you, sir, need to take your OWN advise. Wouldn't that be a good place to start...YOU leading the charge? Instead, you post like the rest of us. BTW, I don't watch or read about Idol, HW, Kardashians, etc., but you seem to keep track of TV and News.
It's not fake news, this is a common practice to bring people to the table. We offer money and lift sanctions when countries disarm or stop production. The two guys in uniform with smirks in the picture are the real power running the country. Kim is a puppet, and hasn't shown any backbone. As long as he can live in comfort and nobody bothers him, what happens to others is not his problem. Say the wrong thing and he will be overthrown by the military. LOL we as americans are kind of puppets but under different control, but stick to the story. I hope NKorea does not use nukes. For the sake of our children, I do not want another war.
Exactly...unfortunately people dont want to get out of their comfort zone!
Ok.. because MSNBC and every other news agency takes orders from Right-Wing think tanks? What about the reporting of this issue in other countries? Are they in on the conspiracy also? N. Korea is a threat, if you're S. Korea or Japan. And THAT is why their rants are newsworthy. They may not be able to hit us, but they sure as hell can kill people in those areas (and have in the past few years.. remember their missile hits on the S. Korean island a few years ago?). And maybe a few thousand people dead in that area of the world doesn't concern you, but it does to other people (especially those with friends and family in S. Korea or Japan).
Do we have to wait for them to actually LAUCH a nuke before the UN does something?
I don't think you understand how North Korea works. They're not really going to nuke anyone. They want attention, and grandstanding like this is how they get it. They always pull some crap like this when they're running out of food or supplies and want more sent to them.
Them launching a nuke would be a huge tactical error on their part, because then they would have nothing to bargain with. They would be promptly invaded and every military and political leader in their country would either be tried/executed.
Who's to say they would or not. They have already sunk a S. Korean Ship, Targeted S.Korean Civilians in an attack that killed folks. They have beaten, murdered and starved their own people. They have gone against International Law and UN resolutions. Now you tell me what they wouldn't do. The fact remains if they did attack the result will be many thousands and maybe millions of lives at stake. The end result, yes would be they would lose. Madmen do strange things. If this is allowed to continue this path sooner or later it will come to a point of no return and N.Korea will have their backs to the wall and retaliate. This rouge country has been the same for the past 60 plus years and not about to change anytime soon. Best to keep our eyes open and ears tuned to what they are up to. One mistake and many lives could be lost in a heartbeat.
Let's watch out for the reverse psychology here. The more we tell them we know they aren't going to nuke anyone, the more they just might want to prove they have the balls to do so. I'd rather be safe than sorry any day. Would we retaliate? Hell yes. Would it be too late? Yep.
What you just described is a 3 year old in the toy section of every store.
North Korea: "I want it!"
The U.N./U.S: "No, we don't have the money right now."
North Korea: "I want it or I'll scream and make a scene. I'll hold my breath. I'll punch my brother."
The U.N/U.S: "Omgosh, not a scene! I'll buy you whatever you want."
If they're going to act like children then the best "parenting" we can do is spank their butts and send them to their rooms without dinner or this will never stop.
This little idiot, needs to be taken OUT he is every bit as psychotic as his predecessors, the BOY is completely and totally unstable, and a major annoyance, if North Korea would like to participate in the rest of the world, they need to try a different...
It's o.k. to hate the, even American citizens, hate the joke the U.S. has become, and if this idiot is feeling froggy, he should either jump or shut up and crawl back to the stone age, enough with the constant rhetoric and BS, I have heard conflicting reports that North Korea's missiles are barely capable of getting past North Korean regional borders, how did this little, starving third world country "suddenly" come up with a missile to reach half way around the world??? but either way, psycho junior needs to either poop or get off the pot...there are in fact other third world cess pools that are eager to hate the U.S. and they are patiently waiting...
yeah we have to wait- if we fire first, they will probably SUE us, and say we started it!!!!!!!!
You said "before the UN does something?"......hahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Korea just wants to grandstand against us. It's good for their people to see the little twerp they have for a leader going up against the US. It makes them think all their civiliians who are starving, are dying for a cause.
The US can't do anything until Korea DOES attack. Otherwise we'd look like the bully.
Let them Blow and bluster.
Janine,
hmmm... that sure didn't faze Bush/Cheney did it? And as I recall, Iraq nor Afghanistan threatened us at all.
Exactly. People who claim that the US is doing nothing because it is weak don't seem to understand that. What actions do they want the US to take that we haven't already taken? Sometimes, being the world's most powerful country limits one's options. If we take pre-emptive military action, any response from North Korea would be viewed as self-defense.
dome wars
when has the un done anything? from what i understand they start drinking around 9am.
trudat. naked force has resolved more conflicts in history than any other means.
it would be foolish to wait until NK has the capability to arm long range missles with nuclear payloads.
when a disgruntle spoiled child acts out, you whip him into obedience.
PRober
As I recall Saddam in Iraq warned he would show the US the "Mother of All Wars" if the US interfered with his ethnic cleansing of the Kurds or build up of arms; also Afghanistan trained and protected the very terrorist organization that killed 4000 Americans in a single day, they dared the US government to just try and take Osama... so whatever your point was you were were trying to make PRober, you failed miserably!
PRober says @2.19
And then 3 minutes afterward, @5.9, hypocritically says:
And more than half of his comments on other pages say either "teabaggers" or "racists" and are almost completely reserved to political lash outs at anyone on the right.
Methinks you should take your own advice and stop polluting the vine with this partisan filth.
Is the missile named Rodman and wearing a wedding dress? smh
We should quit funding the UN and get out! (We fund the majority of their programs) All this dem admin is worried about is global warming...they've got trillions riding on this scam. The dem elites had planned these carbon exchanges and set up companies in the Isle of Man to enrich themselves by many trillions when the taxes on Americans air are assessed...they have been lying in wait...Obama gave them their start with money from the Joyce foundation in 90's. All this money from taxpayers will go to the UN to redistribute to countries that hate us. While this admin is totally focused on undermining capitalism, taxing citizens to the max, increasing our debt to weaken our country and campaigning non-stop with breaks for golf, other countries are making their plans to erode America in one swoop. Wake up, folks! We need a leader!
Waves....
Your tin foil hat fell off, so you better hurry and put it back on before the democrats do that brain melting thing that wins them all the elections, and convinces scientists that they too must repeat whatever democrats instruct them to say. Hope you're not a scientist or you're already screwed!
Ranman - #5.1: Ranman, you must understand that the current leader of North Korea is an over-indulged, would-be playboy with no sense of duty or responsibility. He is the heir of a line of national and global leaders in his country and has never had to be responsible for his own actions. He was an educational failure, unable to successfully complete his sojourn through university. He was a military failure, completing his obligatory tour only through the stature of his father. Unlike his father, this man has never seen war or the damage it does to bodies and spirits and land. He is intent on proving his superiority and, while he may well be rattling his sabre to get attention, don't doubt for a moment that he is naive enough to believe he would prevail in a match up against the US and UN.
Consider the playground bully. He acts without regard for the consequences.
sleuth - You accuse waves of being the conspiracy type....but all you do is make fun of him and ridicule him...yet you don't say anything to refute his claims. no facts or counterpoint....just ridicule. Typical liberal "name calling" without any substance other than your intolerance of differing views.
I thought libs were the tolerant ones....obviously you aren't.
sleuth
from somewhere you've adopted the stance that anything you have to say must be relevent to someone. It isn't.
All you do is make fun of other's posts, but don't address any issues. So, it's ok with you that were given $60,000,000 to Syria, and $250,000,000 to the bloody-@ssed violent muslim brotherhood? I think we should get out of the UN, as well. After all, we pay far more for far less. Well, that is the democratic way - pay more for less. So, back to the $310,000,000 this stinking regime is giving to those who hate us. You're ok with that?
We're giving.......
Here's the deal on aid to Egypt: This is NOTHING new. Notice the bold highlight. Any more questions?
Military aid — which comes through a funding stream known as Foreign Military Financing — has held steady at about $1.3 billion since 1987. American officials have long argued that the money promotes strong ties between the American and Egyptian militaries, which gives the U.S. all kinds of benefits. U.S. Navy warships, for instance, get "expedited processing" when they pass through the Suez Canal.
U.S. economic aid to Egypt has slumped from $815 million in 1998 to about $250 million in 2011
The reason? "A delay or cut in $1.3 billion in military aid to Egypt risked breaking existing contracts with American arms manufacturers that could have shut down production lines in the middle of President Obama's re-election campaign," the New York Times reported. Breaking the contracts could have left the Pentagon on the hook for $2 billion.
ALL US ADMINISTRATIONS DO THIS!
We attacked Iraq...(supposedly) becasue they were going to attack us...which was complete BS! This North Korea is hyped propaganda, and "pre-emptive" striking is extremely dangerous!
We opened the doors to "pre-emptive" striking, when BUSH did it....so if WE can do it...WHY cant they do it? I'm just curious as to your reasoning, because it can go like this:
"I should kill my neighbor, because his wife is hot...and I am going to get drunk one day, and try to sleep with her, and he might find out and try to get revenge, so in order to prevent him from attacking me, I should just kill him now" Hmmmm....complete BULLcrap!
Raid:
I don't give a flying flip WHO gave it, WHEN they gave it, or HOW they gave it (YOU notice the bold emphasis?) our tax money shouldn't be given to the bloody muslim brotherhood.
Nope. We attacked Iraq as President Clinton's US Policy the Overthrow of President Hussein, in accordance with President Clinton's US Law H.R.4655, "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Section 3 US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein, Section 2 Findings (Justifications) Weapons of Mass Destruction.
President Clinton's 1998 State of the Union Address demanding War with Iraq, US Support of Holy Warriors of Islam at Bosnia, etc.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/01/27/sotu/transcripts/clinton/
President Clinton's US Law, H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" that became 2003 Operation Iraqis Freedom.
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1057063/posts
What caused Fundamentalist Islamic Osama Bin Laden to plan the 9/11 2001 Attacks of the same targets of his 1993 First World Trade Center Bombings. After the Great Satan (US) attacked the Crowded Urban Poor Areas of Baghdad killing thousands of innocent Poor of Islam.
President Clinton's 1998 Operation Desert Fox. It was President Clinton as Commander In Chief belief that by attacking the Iraqis Political Leadership that there would be no one to negotiate Peace as the step down of President Hussein as the President of Iraq. It was also President Clinton's belief that by attacking the Iraqis Citizens that this would incite them to Overthrow President Hussein. Before you attempt to defend those actions, or deny, we were on the ground on the outskirts of Baghdad doing Target Damage Assessments and forbidden from doing Targeting as we previously stated our objections to the Cruise Missile Attacks and Airstrikes on the Crowded Urban Poor Areas of Baghdad, and were threatened with life imprisonment, detentions, relief from duty, failure to obey orders, etc..
http://www.newprophecy.net/Desert_Fox__1.jpg
History is quite different when it is your arse that might get killed as a participant; instead of reading things written by non participants based on information (not facts) from other non participants.
Just like the upcoming movie, Horse Soldiers of 9/11, that negates President Obama's Reelection "Less Horses and Bayonets". And before the movie comes out, the "Angel of Death" was a US Military Woman doing precision Airstrikes against the Taliban, Al Quada, Islamic Jihadists here at Afghanistan, October 2001. Another mission some of us survived, a couple of hundred went in today only a couple of dozen are alive. Not mentioned in both references is that there were more than the 200 (Three Teams) US Army Special Forces (USAF STTs, USMC MARSOC, USN SEALs, CIA's SAD/SOG, etc.).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arxKhJIjIiY
Go ahead and call Vice President Biden a Liar (He knew about the Horses and Bayonets that President Obama did not).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmiyyLNogaY
Bury you head in the sand.
Due to President Obama's Failed Foreign Policies US Ally Egypt is now in the hands of the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood as the Ally of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran.
Egypt was key and strategic for the Holy Warriors of Isalm to attack US Ally Libya. Strategic Goal, obtain the Decades of Weapons of US Ally Libya Military to attack the rest of Africa:
Clinton takes responsibility in Benghazi attack
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/23/16660298-clinton-takes-responsibility-in-benghazi-attack-clashes-with-republicans?lite
Prior to the "Egyptian Revolution". The Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood were trained at the Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq, Syria, Southern Turkey, and Northwestern Iran, in Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency, start Civil Wars to Overthrow US Allies Worldwide). US Ally attacked the Autonomous Kurdistanis Region and seriously underestimated the numbers of Holy Warriors of Islam (Millions), US Ally Turkey believed that only the Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGK were there; under cover of Turkish Air Force Airstrikes the US Ally Turkey Military Forces withdrew. The Result many of the Holy Warriors of Islam fled to their Nations of Origin, like the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood and the Hamas Foreign Fighters as the "Peace Flotillas". US Ally Israel reports this after their Israelis Civilian Custom Agents get their arses beaten while attempting to inspect the "Peace Flotillas". US Ally Egypt (President Mubarak) reports the same thing with the "Peace Flotillas" going to the Egyptian Ports at Alexandria Egypt. US Ally President Mubarak starts reporting "Increase Al Quada Like Activities", as the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood is moving from Alexandria Egypt to the South. President Obama immediately stopped all US Assistance, US Support, US Funding, etc. to US Ally Egypt and starts name-calling US Ally President Mubarack a Dictator.
Sure, Raidaz2010, give the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood as the current Government of Egypt US Weapons.
LAME EXCUSE, WHY THE F**K DID YOU EVEN VOTE FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA IF HE IS GOING TO BE PRESIDENT BUSH THE TURD (Third).
Chas....
I learned long ago that your crowd doesn't have any regard for fact, and there's no need to refute crazy assesrtions that have no basis in fact to begin with, but here's an easy one:
Really? All they've been talking about is global warming? We just spent a month talking about SEQUESTER, FISCAL CLIFF, GUN CONTROL. Are you guys really that dense? If you haven't been alive or awake for the last year, anything I say won't change that. "Libs" as you call us aren't tolerant of blatant stupidity or ignorance, which is why us educated folk with college degrees vote overwhelmingly Democrat. I'm sorry that even members of your own party recognize it as the "party of stupid." Now I hope I didn't hurt your feelings.
arslp....
Thank you, I'm glad I'm relevant to you. If what I say isn't relevant, why bother responding to it?
Now where did you read we wrote a check to the Muslim Brotherhood again? All I can seem to find is that we're providing aid to the country of Egypt. Are they bloody @ssed because they've been taking it in the @ss? Violent as they maybe, I'm not really sure why you're so concerned with their @sses. I'm ok with giving less than $1billion to a country to help its economy, as oppossed to occupying 2 countries and spending $trillions for no results at all. I guess you're ok wasting a few dollars as long as we save a few cents right? Keep voting Republican, my party really appreciates it!
Where are your Facts, sleuth23,
Defintion of Fact - Experience or Observations.
Uh, huh, having an inflated in value US College Degree really means that you are Educated (NOT). Your Academic Idealist Idealism Opinions mean NOTHING in the Real World Life or Death School of Hard Knocks.
Definition Opinion - a personal view, attitude, or appraisal without knowledge, thought, or reason.
Failed attempt, as your sleuth23 opinion, not Fact (Experience). We accomplished a lot at Iraq and Afghanistan at great sacrifice, it was President Obama's Failed Foreign Policies that negated all the US and US Allies Gains, as lost to the Allies of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, the Chinese and Russian Federation.
Sleuth:
the New York Times ought to be liberal enough for you to believe it. How come it is you can just write anything without knowing any facts? How come it is you had no idea that $250,000,000 was the right amount written? Can it be that you don't know what the hell you're talking about? Yes! Yes! That could be it. In fact, I am sure of it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/world/middleeast/kerry-announces-millions-in-us-aid-for-egypt.html?_r=0
Thank you General Chang. Now go back to your game.
If the North Koreans actually were dumb enough to launch a nuke I believe China, in order to save its own skin, would turn a blind eye to any retaliation or even nuke the @!$%#s themselves. I spent many years in South Korea by the DMZ on various joint exercises with the South Koreans and know that this truce is always being violated by the idiots in the North.
Hee Hee! North Korea is stupid!
Did you get to see the North Korean Nuclear Attack Proof Artillery Tunnels dug into the sides of the North Korean Mountains*. You do know that the US Custodial Units of the STRAC Teams were withdrawn from South Korea as part of SALT, START, Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, etc.. I was "Unofficially" sent TDA to US Diplomatic Mission (US Diplomatic Passport) of South Korea a long time ago, before returning to the "Middle East" again (United Nation's Mission).
*Use of North Korean Prison Labor. CBS News: North Korean prisoner escaped after 23 brutal years
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50136263n
Lets see, is this threat # 143 or 144, I forget?
what are they going to launch them with - sling shots?
btw, it's 144.
Send rodman back to negotiate with this fat little punk.
actually it appears Rodman is what got his panties all wadded up this time, he spends time with Dennis Rodman and suddenly he seems to believe he should destroy America, time to send a few seals or some other special ops team and help this jerk have an accident...this guy needs to go, and who told Rodman he was a diplomat???
Rodman represented the intelligence of the United States; who's on the short bus?
@Greg,
I like Rodman, he's a hell of a BB player. But I really do agree with you. I was thinking the same thing. Since when is Rodman a negotiator, when on the court he was always getting into fights? LOL
Rodman must've felt a need to stay relevant.
I don't think that killing just Kim J. would solve the problem. As with many governments, he is heavily influenced by the people around him who have been there since his father was in power. It would probably be best to smoke the people behind the scenes instead of just the puppet.
Rodman and Kim,
One retard leading another. I wonder if he took his navel lint collection to korea?
Rodman must have brought his collection of NBA game highlights, and Kim Jong can't stand the thought of another visit.
Rodman: Hey bro, I'll be back with more videos next month
Un: Oh.. uh ok bro. hopefully nobody will nuke or nothing like that.
Little Kim got pissed at Rodman for using him as a basketball and he got stuck in the hoop.
Does Kim Un XBox know that we have 8,500 targetable nuclear warheads, each of them is 100 times more powerful than all of his, put together. He would join his pop, Mr. Ronery real fast.
This admin has been trying to reduce our arsenal, making deals to give them to Putin. Remember when caught saying, after a pow wow with Putin, " I'll be more flexible after the election"? And decimating our military has been his adamant focus, also. This is a devastating threat to our national security. Our illegal immigran 'invasion' and open borders have been another threat, but was needed to buy 'votes' Our grandchildren will look at us with doe-eyes full of tears wondering why we ever allowed the denigration and ruination of this country for the sole reason to keep a democratic majority...selling out our country for votes.
I mean rear fass.
Matthew 22:36-40
King James Version (KJV)
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
what are you babbling on about???
@Goldsmith,
I have a great idea. Take your bible and all your verses to NK! Make sure when you get there you quote them for the North Koreans and heal the whole world!
Let us know how it works out for you. Make sure it is the King Jong Version (KJV), ho'kay?
His Will Be done, In Kingjong Come...blab blah blah. STFU!
@Demonseed,
Brother you surely wouldn't understand why Goldsmith posted that...but your ignornance, nonetheless, is now publicly available for all to mock.
@Goldsmith
John 8:32 is what DEMONFEED needs! :)
@Guinius,
You are calling me ignorant but you are the one who believes in the Sky Fairy and archaic words that are little more than rumors passed down through the generations of sheep.
Quote some more nonsense at me. You can have the last word. But at the end of the day, you are the one who believes in a farce. Religion is a lie.
@Demonseed
...let's assume for just a minute that you are the one who is right...GOD and the "fables" you assume are not real...then when you're covered over with sod and forgotten about by all and that's it! END OF DEMONSEED! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. Now, let's assume for a minute that you're NOT RIGHT...You're still covered over with that same sod, SEPERATED FROM THE LIVING GOD, in a place described as something that cannot be fathomed on this earth, and you are suffereing and writhing in eternal pain and anguish and you have reflected back on this conversation with someone who cared more for your own soul than even your blinded mind did. Can't help you then...but, you can't blame me for trying now...can you?
GOD BLESS and JESUS SAVES :)
@DemonSeed,
"you are the one who believes in a farce. Religion is a lie."
But yet you go by "demonseed"
Go ahead, make my day!
When are we going to stop playing around with these people? Lets take all our combat tested forces in the middle east, ship them over to South Korea and just drive north until they are obliterated.
Yeah! Just like shock and awe all over again. Let's use all the soldiers in hospitals in the USA with post traumatic stress syndrome to invade North Korea because they're due for their 2nd or 3d deployment and we need every man we can use over in the Middle East right where they are... and YOU should join up and lead the charge; since you're so enthusiastic.
@holly
I will go. I'm fresh from my second deployment. I have plenty more left in me too! I will be happy to go and unload my 60cal on Kim J's fat behind.
Yes, let the US be the ones to break the armistice. And, let's hope that the Chinese don't feel compelled to intervene. And, let's explain to the thousands of families of the American casualties that their loved ones died merely because North Korea was irritating.
Some people are really screwed in the head. u think obama's peace prize is going to get us out of this? Wrong!!! they count on him while they try to annihlate the south and us. What are sanctions going t do? Piss them off more and then they will do it anyway. Time for the U.N. and us to say enough is enough and either he lets us go in and disarm him or we just take him out. end of story
Just curious, are you referring to your M-60 (7.62mm) or did you mean the T17E3 which was never deployed and eventually let to development of the 20 MM cannon? If you're not referring to an M-60, your last second deployment was in 1944 to the Springfield Arsenal.
Holy sh!t Terry...go hide under your bed!...they're coming for you and Obama gave them your address. Haven't been around long have you? Get used to this...it's North Korea.
Nobody actually wants to go to war with North Korea. The fact is they'd launch nearly every weapon at Seoul and millions would die. As South Korea and the US fired back, China and/or Russia would undoubtably fight against us for the fallout of the nukes.
Why would Russia care about "the fallout of the nukes"? How would they be affected? Most of the fallout would go into the South China Sea. This notion that using a nuclear weapon results in massive amounts of fallout all over the world killing everybody is mostly the result of bad science fiction. More than 100 above-ground nuclear tests were conducted within visible range of Las Vegas and the only effect they had was to boost the Las Vegas economy by bringing in crowds of tourists who wanted to watch. There aren't 100 targets in North Korea that would justify the expense of a nuclear weapon.
In fact if North Korea used nuclear weapons it is not clear that there would need to be a nuclear response at all--the US and South Korean forces should be quite capable of rolling over North Korea in a fairly short time--their military really is no more fearsome than the Iraqi military and we all saw how that went. If there was a nuclear response it would be for political reasons and not military.
Hey! I liked "The Day After"!
I think you're assuming that because China (and the ex-USSR) have/had communist sympathies, they'd be more likely to side with North Korea in a nuclear conflict. I'd say the agreement between the US and China to punish N.K. for it's recent nuclear test is proof enough that that's not true. Russia, quite frankly, has little incentive to get involved here (beside being a UN security council member). China, on the other hand, desires regional stability above all else. North Korea is now a liability to that.
There will soon come a day when the US gives China a call and says "Hey, you're supposed to be the big up-and-coming world superpower, right? Wanna prove you're a big boy? Deal with this. If you can't, WE will."
jclark: you were in Vegas in 62? WOW! The knowledge about radiation fallout can be found in milk.
we would not use megaton nukes on North Korea. We would use tactical precision hits and greatly minimize any civilian casualties. I for one, despite how brainwashed the people are, would not be ok with genocide. Plus we have some very interesting new toys thanks to raytheon, USAF, and Vought that could do something very awesome.
ohiofan banned for death wishing the POTUS.
ROB-898387
More likely than not they would publicly condemn the United States, the privately exhale a sigh of relief.
WHAT THE HELL DID DENNIS RODMAN TELL THEM?!??!
Phuck North Korea bomb these creatures back into the stone age!
Way to stir things up Ambassador Rodman! You shouldn't of told Kim Jong Un the Republicans won't let Obama do anything! :)
Send them a ship load of Kimchi and they'll shut up.
They have probably created a rudimentary dirty bomb. But like any explosive, its just as deadly as a sophisticated version. The delivery system is all that's different. That said, they are surely capable of tossing one over the border.
This is the worlds chance to show countries like this, what creating a nuke will bring down on them. And how it will effect their country. It wont be how they think it will work. Obviously these countries think they will have international power if they get nukes. Perhaps when they find out nothing changes except the threats, they will see the folly of this strategy.
Talk is the way forward, not threats. Having a big mouth scares the crap out of secretive governments.
Dagan banned for death wishing.
Sounds like this could be propaganda. I'm sure North Korea is doing something that our government doesn't like and isn't telling us about, or they have something we want. Still possible they could actually be this crazy, though.
Boy are we lucky we have a real President and not the coward (Mitten Robme) or (George WWW. Bush) that ran away like yellow bellied girly/men to get out of Vietnam.
Yeah! Obama's military record is exemplary, whereas those other two clowns were dodgers, Obama missed out on military service due to his immigrant status.
No, he "missed out on military service" because he was 11 years old when the draft ended.
Hehehe, logic wins ;)
he didnt say anything about the draft he means he couldnt join due to no birth certificate.
Forgot to add Bill Clinton to your list.
Seems like if we had a real president they wouldn't be threatening us.
Real President!!!! who is the f@*k are you talking about. The only balls this one has is
the ones he tees off with.
Glock....
What draft did Obama miss again? Oh never mind, you're a genius. Double negatives mean a vote for Republicans.
H8TPARTY is smoking crack again! Please excuse him.
@ j.Clark just because the draft ended doesn't mean Obama couldn't serve in the military. other people do it all the time.
So mhender, when did you serve? Did you enlist with glock? Didn't think so........
Would love to see the selective service record of when Obama filled it out as required by law by all US male citizens at age 18. It should be a matter of public record. The big reason he did not go to the military is that chicken sheets need not apply.
So Gary, you are a veteran? Or a loud mouth chicken sheet?
Did he ever register at the post office ?? Bet not !
It would be nice if all involved nations just left north korea alone; give them no attention nor any assistance; make no admittance that a north korea exists and completely ignore them. They would blow themselves up in their attention whore endeavors.
We should do what China did to us. Make them addicted to our goods and export tons of cheap food and manufactured crap, and drive them into economic hell after they are addicted. Conquer from within!
A preemptive nuclear strike would end NK, period. They know this, and wouldn't dare.
My gawd..It took 33 comments and talk about eating dogs before someone finally turned this into a right/left issue..WTF?...Come on ..if it's not Blackie's fault then at least blame it on that right wing chicken hawk Eisenhower who didn't have the balls to nuke them 60 years ago..Wake up people!!
NK got their nukes during Bush's watch
No. Started under Clinton when he sent Jimmy Carter over to "negotiate" with them to stop their nuclear program. We started giving them oil so they wouldn't need to develp "nuclear energy". This allowed them to focus even more on developing nuclear weapons.
You'll also notice they didn't make any threats against us during Bush's watch.
And Iran will gain nuclear weapons under Obama's watch even though the whole world knows what they're doing.
Ya, i'm sure big bad george would have pulled out all the stops. He was the worse president to ever TAKE office literally.
You'll also notice they didn't make any threats against us during Bush's watch.
NK set off their first nuke on Georgies watch.
neo-cons, get off this board. you would hate obama if he came up withthe cure to cancer!!! nothing he does pleases you asssshoooles
Its always Obama's fault!! No matter what. My oatmeal was too damned hot this morning. Its Obama's fault! A car cut me off this morning on the way to work! Its Obama's fault. I had Premature ejaculation last night! Its Obama's fault!!!!...lol
We have the very same nukes now...they are getting old...we need to use them before they blow up in our own back yard. NK is as good a target as any. It does not matter...we will all be screwed in the bargain.
Brian-716558, i still hear that sucking sound coming from between your lips, maybe you should plug one ear and see if that helps
Obummer im sure will figure out a way to blame Bush even if he has been the all mighty for 5 years now, send him over to N Korea on a missle, get rid of two birds with one stone as to say
Bush and Cheney can't leave the country for fear of being arrested for war crimes and turned over to the Hague.
About dang time........ That's what we need. We need to go to war with them again. Then it might knock off some of those crazy ones on the Hill and quit making all sorts of laws.
Well, I've seen the Sixth Fleet in the Taiwan Strait in 1996, when the Beijing baby killers were planning to disrupt Taiwan's first free Presidential Election. It's a pretty mean and very substantial fighting force, so if Beloved Masturbator in Pyongyang wants to mess with us, let his fat ass f**king try. GO NAVY, GO AIR FORCE!!! Wipe those bastards out.
SOUTH KOREA is our friend. Let's not allow them to be sucked into a war of attrition, and let's make a pre-emptive strike of our own. There's no way North Korea could last a week under US and Korean attack forces. Let's drop bunker-busters on 'em and while we're at it, let's see if Kim Junk Oaf can deep-throat a cruise missile. I can't wait for the BDA video!
Buh-bye North Korea. We shoulda done you 60 years ago.
You Dirty Dog YOU!!!!
1. Strap Dennis Rodman to a Tomahawk missile.
2. Launch it right at this commie gook Kim Jong Un's rear end.
3. Eat his dog.
these guys at north Korea are really childish, they talk and talk stupid things and they think the world is going to believe all the @hit they talk. Grow up north Korea and stop talking bull@hit
Sooner or later someone is going to have to put this little A$$ in place.