Summary and verdict
For the key news lines from tonight’s Question Time, see 10.30pm and 11.35pm.
But it is not just important what John McDonnell said; it is how he said it, and how he came across. Making McDonnell shadow chancellor has been Jeremy Corbyn’s most controversial appointment, and the success or failure of the Corbyn project will depend what a lot on how well he can do. So what was he like?
In many ways, pretty good. Softly-spoken, engaging (in the literal sense - he seemed to engage well with the questions he was asked) and straightforward, if you were to forget for a moment all the IRA stuff he probably dominated the programme. It helped that he did not sound anything like the wild Trot depicted in the media, and when he made the case that Corbynite policies on, for example, housing were not extreme, he was persuasive.
It was also striking how much better he is at this than his boss. When Corbyn recorded a clip for the broadcasters on Wednesday saying he did not sing the national anthem because he was thinking about his parents, he sounded evasive and not especially credible. McDonnell made the story sound much more plausible.
But did he manage to make his apology sound plausible? Judging by Twitter (see 11.21pm), only up to a point. His Thatcher apology partly took the form of a joke but, given that he was apologising for a joke, that seemed fair enough. His IRA apology came over as genuinely sincere, and even heartfelt. But while he was happy to say sorry for lauding the IRA, he certainly didn’t shed the accusation that he was overly sympathetic to violent Republicanism. Corbyn faces the same problem too. Quite how much this will damage them politically remains to be seen. Those who feel most strongly about this are probably people unlikely to vote Labour anyway, but you don’t have to be a Tory to feel a deep revulsion towards the IRA.
Overall, McDonnell came over as someone who will do well at trying to sell the anti-austerity message to a public still sold on sound money economics. But getting the voters to swallow the Corbyn/McDonnell anti-imperialism agenda at the same time may be asking a bit much, and tonight’s Question Time illustrated the full scale of the challenge. McDonnell made some progress in trying to persuade people that Labour is not now run by IRA apologists, but he certainly did not bury the issue for good.
That’s all from me. Thanks for the comments.
I posted the quotes from John McDonnell containing his two apologies earlier. (See 10.30pm.)
Here are the other key quotes.
- McDonnell said that Jeremy Corbyn told him after the Battle of Britain service that he normally does sing the national anthem, but that this time he was lost in thought.
I said afterwards ‘why didn’t you sing?’ and he said ‘actually I normally do’, but it was quite a moving event and he was casting his mind back to the war…the national anthem isn’t just for those who are monarchists, it’s for everyone and it represents the whole country and that’s why people sing it.
- He said that Labour under Corbyn would be happy to raise the top rate of income tax to just 50p in the pound.
On income tax it isn’t an issue for us. The Tories reduced it from fifty to forty-five and we’d like to just go back to the fifty. We think that’s reasonable.
- He said Labour was not advocating withdrawal from Nato.
This is from STV’s Stephen Daisley, but others are making the same point.
Here are some tweets from the Corbyn campaign about the programme.
Question 3 - Singing the national anthem
The next question is about Jeremy Corbyn not singing the national anthem.
McDonnell says he spoke to Corbyn about this. Corbyn said he normally sings. But on this occasion he was lost in thought, thinking about his parents.
Stanley says that, as a schoolboy, he once got into trouble for refusing to sing the national anthem. But he had the excuse of being a schoolboy. Corbyn should have sung it lustily.
Salmond says the fourth verse is anti-Scottish. But he always sang the national anthem. At an event like that, you are supposed to show respect, he says. He says that he likes John McDonnell, but finds his explanation hard to believe.
And that’s it. The programme is over.
I will be posting some more reaction, and a summary/verdict shortly.
Salmond says that, under our current policy, if the little Syrian boy had not died, he would have been turned away as an asylum seeker. That can’t be right, he says.
McDonnell says it was only a month ago that David Cameron was describing refugees as a swarm. But attitudes changed enormously after the death of the young boy.
A year ago he and Jeremy Corbyn were at the Home Office asking for Britain to take more Syrian refugees. At that point only around 100 had been accepted, he says.
He says the government should be taking more Syrian refugees.
Question 2 - Immigration
The next question is about immigration.
Truss defends the government position.
Salmond speaks up for refugees. Freddie Mercury was a refugee. And Jesus Christ, he says.
Nigel Dodds, the DUP leader in Westminster, has responded to McDonnell’s IRA apology. He suggests it is not truly sincere, and does not go far enough.
And this tweet, with an excerpt from what McDonnell said about IRA violence in 2003, is being retweeted a lot.
This is what some journalists are saying about John McDonnell’s performance so far.
There are more women in work than ever before, says Truss.
But they are paid 21% less, says McDonnell.
Women are not in top positions in the shadow cabinet, Truss says.
But more than 50% of its members are women, says McDonnell.
The excellent BBC Question Time Twitter feed has posted what John McDonnell said about his 2003 IRA remarks at the time.
A member of the audience says she thinks McDonnell will say anything to try to win people over.
McDonnell says he understands why people are sceptical of politicians. There are too many career politicians.
Q: But you are one yourself? And you will say things that people want to hear, even if they are not true?
McDonnell says that he supports the right to recall MPs.
And he says that he wants to extend democracy. There should be more of it in the workplace, he says.
Tim Stanley asks McDonnell to explain why he talked about the British occupation of Ireland. But Britain did not occupy Northern Ireland. It is as British as Surrey.
And he said the bombs and bullets contributed to peace in Northern Ireland. Does he still think that?
McDonnell says he supports peace. He has been involved in groups campaigning for peace. He says he had to use the language that Republicans understood to secure the path for peace. But it was worth it, because now people are not dying in Northern Ireland, he says.
McDonnell says Labour wants to put the top rate of tax back up to 50p in the pound. But that is where it was a few years ago.
McDonnell says that he does not support withdrawal from Nato.
Salmond says printing money is not an extreme proposal. It is what the government has already been doing, under quantitative easing.
Here are two Tory MPs reacting to the McDonnell apology.
A member of the audience says McDonnell is an IRA terrorist sympathiser.
Dimbleby reads out the McDonnell quote.
McDonnell gives the explanation quoted earlier. See 10.30pm.
He explains in some detail that he was speaking at a time when people, like him, were encouraging the IRA to give up their weapons.
He says that it was a mistake to talk about honouring the IRA.
He has apologised many times, he says.
But, he says, if he helped to save one life, it would have been worth it.
But, if he gives offence, he apologises from the bottom of his heart.
Sandi Toksvig says she has not often heard politicians apologise. She commends McDonnell for what he said.
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Q: How can you say you will be nice when you made that comment about assassinating Margaret Thatcher?
McDonnell gives the reply quoted earlier. It was an “appalling joke�?, he says.
But he takes up Stanley’s point. He says that he does not accept that Corbyn’s policies are extreme. It is not extreme to want to tackle the housing crisis.
Salmond says he finds the Telegraph (which Stanley writes for) extreme.
Salmond says he disagrees with Corbyn on some of his foreign policy stances. But he does not find his anti-austerity stance extreme.
Someone in the audience asks about the story about Labour MPs ringing Tim Farron up to discuss defection. David Dimbleby asks the audience member whether he believes that story. Dimbleby sounds sceptical.
Tim Stanley says he agrees with everything McDonnell said. Jeremy Corbyn sounds like a nice guy, he says. But he thinks that Labour’s policies are just too extreme for voters.
McDonnell says 50,000 people have joined Labour since the leadership election.
John McDonnell says something has changed in politics. Jeremy Corbyn only just got on the ballot for the Labour leadership. But he has enthused people. People were fed up of spin, and plastic politics.
Labour had more than 500,000 involved in politics. And 50,000 people have joined the party since the election.
- McDonnell says 50,000 people have joined Labour since the leadership election.
At PMQs Corbyn said we have had enough of yah-boo politics.
Q: Will he continue doing it like that? Some people said it let David Cameron off the hook.
McDonnell says he asked Corbyn about this. Corbyn said he would try to do that, but he would mix it up.
People want to change. Corbyn offered that change, he says.
He predicts the general population will react well to this.
Q: But you once said George Osborne made you so angry that you reacted physically?
McDonnell says Corbyn is trying to make him a nicer person.
He says he does get angry sometimes, especially when he hears rich people talking down to others.
Question 1 - Labour
The first question is about Labour.
Alex Salmond says the answer is no. Labour is divided, and divided parties don’t win, he says.
Liz Truss says it feels as if Labour is going back to the 1980s.
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McDonnell apologises from the bottom of his heart for his comment praising the IRA
Here are more comments from what John McDonnell is saying on the programme released by the BBC in advance.
- McDonnell said he apologised from the bottom of his heart for his comment in 2003 praising the IRA.
What I tried to do for both sides is to give them a way out with some form of dignity otherwise they wouldn’t lay their arms down.�?
And can I just say this, because this has been raised with me time and time again - I accept it was a mistake to use those words, but actually if it contributed towards saving one life, or preventing someone else being maimed it was worth doing, because we did hold on to the peace process.
There was a real risk of the republican movement splitting and some of them continuing the armed process. If I gave offence, and I clearly have, from the bottom of my heart I apologise, I apologise.
- He also apologised for what he said was an “appalling joke�? about wanting to assassinate Margaret Thatcher.
It was an appalling joke. It’s ended my career in stand-up, let’s put it that way, and I apologise for it as well.
- He backed a 50p top rate of tax.
- He said he was not advocating pulling out of Nato.
Question Time is coming from Wembley in London tonight.
As usual, the programme is pre-recorded.
And the BBC is reporting that John McDonnell used the programme to apologise “from the bottom of his heart�? for the comments he made about the IRA in 2003.
This is what McDonnell said in 2003.
It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of [hunger striker] Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.
Updated
Shadow chancellors do not normally appear on BBC Question Time, but we’re in an unusual era and tonight the nation will get its first proper chance to get the measure of John McDonnell, the leftwing backbencher who was catapulted from obscurity late on Sunday night into one of the most difficult jobs in politics when Jeremy Corbyn made him shadow chancellor.
According to Corbyn’s campaign team, he’s the people’s chancellor.
As if that was not enough of a draw, the panel also includes Alex Salmond, the former Scottish first minister. The other guests are Liz Truss, the environment secretary, Sandi Toksvig, the broadcaster and Women’s Equality party founder, and Tim Stanley, the journalist and historian.
I will be covering the programme starts at 10.35pm. I’ll be covering it in detail, bringing you reaction and analysis, and the best comment on Twitter, as well as summing up the news lines at the end.
If you want to follow me on Twitter, I’m on @AndrewSparrow.
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