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The cover of Fortune's January edition showcases an interview with Disney CEO Bob Iger and his "Empire of Tech," focusing on Disney's growing media empire with acquisitions of brands such as Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and Marvel expanding the company's already considerable reach over the past few years. With Disney's and Iger's histories intersecting with those of Apple and Steve Jobs, Iger unsurprisingly takes a few moments to discuss topics such as his relationship with Jobs, his view on Apple and Disney's history, and Disney's attempt to stay relevant in a growing technological world.

In one anecdote, Iger recalls the moment in 2005 when he was about to be named as the new CEO of Disney, calling Jobs ahead of time to let him know what was coming. Disney's own animation was seen as "lifeless" in the years before the company's 2006 acquisition of Pixar, and amid reports of "bad blood" between former Disney CEO Michael Eisner and Jobs himself and an inability to come to an agreement for a continued distribution deal following the successful release of Toy Story, both studios' futures remained up in the air.

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Even before the news became public, he called Jobs to let him know big changes were coming. "I told him I was well aware of how strained the relationship had become," says Iger. "I said, 'I know you think it's going to be business as usual, but I'd like to prove to you that it's not.' "

Jobs gave Iger the benefit of the doubt and told him to come up as soon as the dust settled. And that's just what Iger did--not only because he knew Pixar was the key to revitalizing Disney's lifeless animation studio, but also because he saw Apple's CEO as a valuable technology partner. The sentiment, apparently, was reciprocated.
Ensuing fruitful years of a Disney/Apple alliance began immediately, with Iger flying out to Cupertino to officiate a deal to get Disney-owned content on the iTunes Store, a big deal for the still-budding platform.
"Steve recognized that in Bob he actually had a partner," says Edwin Catmull, current President of both Pixar Animation Studios and Walt Disney Animation Studios. "In the subsequent years they thought of each other as true partners. That's what he wanted, and that's not what he had previously."
Two weeks after becoming CEO, Iger stood alongside Jobs to announce that Disney-owned ABC and its network of programs would be available on the iTunes Store, which only sold music at the time. Iger notes that Disney "got backlash from everybody -- from affiliates, retailers, and the guilds." He goes on to remark, however, that the experience "changed my relationship with him [Jobs] bigtime. And it led to a much better dialogue on Pixar."

The Disney/Apple partnership continues to grow stronger, even in the wake of Jobs' death. Iger joined Apple's board just months after Jobs' passing, and Jobs' widow Laurene Powell Jobs remains Disney's largest individual shareholder thanks to Disney's acquisition of Pixar.

And Iger isn't afraid of the necessity to innovate, as highlighted by Apple CEO Tim Cook in a quote for the piece. "He has the courage to lose sight of the shore," Cook says of Iger. "He understands the tradition of Disney but isn't wedded to it." But Iger also knows that both companies' pasts are important in looking towards the future, and remembers fondly brainstorming sessions with Jobs.
"Occasionally we would stand in front of a whiteboard and talk about ideas," says Iger. "We'd just muse on business. When you think about it, media's the intersection of content and technology--it's all about storytelling, like photography and the camera. So we'd talk about that a lot, the intersection between the story and the gadget."
The partnership isn't only growing strong behind boardroom doors, either. Just last week Apple Pay launched at Walt Disney World, its "Disney Movies Anywhere" app debuted exclusively on the App Store before expanding to Android recently, and even the upcoming Apple Watch is said to be including a Mickey Mouse-themed watch face option.

Article Link: Disney CEO Bob Iger Discusses Working with Steve Jobs, Apple, and Pixar
 

jamescobalt

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Er...

Iger saved Disney like Jobs saved apple... Both are geniuses...

Iger is very controversial figure at Disney; much more so than Steve Jobs was at Apple. Iger's genius has been in the acquisition of value-added properties (Lucasfilm, Marvel, and PIXAR), expansions of non-Florida based businesses (vacation club, resorts, parks in Hong Kong and Shanghai), and turning California Adventure around.

His genius has also resulted in what some claim is an abandonment of the spirit of Walt Disney (granted, Disney's spirit wasn't always financially sound). Also diluting the unique brands of the parks. Putting a tracking device on everyone's wrists (which has been a disaster). Creating a caste system amongst guests. Putting a generic gift shop at every exit. Decreasing the number of attractions in spite of growing attendance (after all, longer lines = more people buying magic hours / fast passes / $4.50 bottles of water / extra nights to see everything...). Canceling and downsizing countless much-needed rehab projects to the Florida parks. Getting paid $35 million a year. Avatar Land...
 

Glideslope

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Iger saved Disney like Jobs saved apple... Both are geniuses...

Indeed. Very much alike in terms of style and vision. Both were/are deeply plugged in to the their respective market. Always looking forward, while never forgetting history. :apple:

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Don't forget about Fred Anderson (and Tim Cook). At the time there was more to saving Apple than hot new products.

Yes. Fred knows his stuff. Apple is lucky to have survived the Gil years. :apple:
 

westrock2000

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just wish Disney would get back into good quality animated movies. Disney is the "gateway" for 2 of the greatest animation studios on the planet Pixar and Studio Ghibli. They each do animation very differently, but they are both extremely good at what they do.

How Disney can be at the helm of these two studio's and NOT also put out excellent movies like they did in the 80's and 90's is perplexing to me.

I haven't seen Frozen all the way through, so I don't know how good it is. I have seen Wreck It Ralph many times and I really enjoyed it. But Disney needs to do some "hand drawn" features too. I saw the (2009) Princess & The Frog in theaters and it wasn't that great. It wasn't bad, but coming from the golden era of the 90's it wasn't special.

Take something like Ponyo which also came out in 2009 and it is an excellent kids film.
 

animcam

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How Disney can be at the helm of these two studio's and NOT also put out excellent movies like they did in the 80's and 90's is perplexing to me.

I haven't seen Frozen all the way through, so I don't know how good it is.

Frozen and even more so Big Hero 6 are excellent. Disney animation seems to be running all out on all cylinders these days. Congratulations due to everyone down there. They are putting up a high water mark (in story) for Pixar to reach for.

As for traditional pencil animation, a la Beauty and the Beast, I'm afraid we have seen the last of major feature releases. Once the talent has dried up a little it wil be impossible to get that level back again.
 

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This is why it took over twenty years for the sequel to Tron to get the green light.

Back in the early 80's, Eisner was kicking ass and taking names inside a very calcified Disney animation studio. The lack of success that "Pete's Dragon" had was the last nail in the old guard of animators personally hired by Walt himself.

Eisner looked for something new, something different, something ground breaking to take the Disney name. He found a project outside the hallowed drawing tables of Burbank. It was a story about a man sucked into these new computers. The graphics were ground breaking with lots of black light and a "world within a world" that was Tron.

Disney took it since they had no choice. They finished it up, brought in animators that used computers and black light instead of oil brushes and subtractive color filming. Tron did great -- over the top great. Lots of money made.

The old guard working at Disney hated it.

This is why you never saw a Tron ride at any Disney park. The Light Cycle ride that never was is a crying shame. This is why you never saw any Tron adventure on the Disney Channel in the 80's. Tron was the high school quarterback transferred form another school, won the championship but never got into all the cool parties with the neighborhood classmates.

Then -- finally -- the old guard retired. Iger and outsiders not "grown Walt's way" came in. This is how "Tron Legacy" and "Saving Mr. Banks" got the green light. The idea of an actor portraying Walt Disney himself was sacrilege to the Old Guard animators and production managers now living in retirement homes.

Iger did a transformation to Disney the way that Philip Caldwell did to Ford in the 70's. He got the "family" the hell out of the place and looked at modern market needs.

Good job Bob!
 
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CFreymarc

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Iger is very controversial figure at Disney; much more so than Steve Jobs was at Apple. Iger's genius has been in the acquisition of value-added properties (Lucasfilm, Marvel, and PIXAR), expansions of non-Florida based businesses (vacation club, resorts, parks in Hong Kong and Shanghai), and turning California Adventure around.

His genius has also resulted in what some claim is an abandonment of the spirit of Walt Disney (granted, Disney's spirit wasn't always financially sound). Also diluting the unique brands of the parks. Putting a tracking device on everyone's wrists (which has been a disaster). Creating a caste system amongst guests. Putting a generic gift shop at every exit. Decreasing the number of attractions in spite of growing attendance (after all, longer lines = more people buying magic hours / fast passes / $4.50 bottles of water / extra nights to see everything...). Canceling and downsizing countless much-needed rehab projects to the Florida parks. Getting paid $35 million a year. Avatar Land...

Iger is simply fighting the "Not Invented Here" / "We always did it this way" mindset that has been with the Old Guard that was hired by Walt himself. Most are retired or dismissed by now. This is why we are seeing such change inside Disney.

To do "Saving Mr. Banks" just ten years ago would be heretical to even consider having an actor portray Walt himself.

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As for traditional pencil animation, a la Beauty and the Beast, I'm afraid we have seen the last of major feature releases. Once the talent has dried up a little it wil be impossible to get that level back again.

Pencil / cell drawing is a very labor intensive process. Keep in mind most of the "Disney Classics" were made during the Great Depression where Walt got away with paying dirt cheap labor to these animators making Pinocchio, Cinderella and Snow White. Was told there was even a company soup kitchen with only one soup for the day.

I wouldn't be surprised that there is some outsourced, acre-size drawing table farm in China, Philippines or India doing a classic Disney hand drawn movie as we speak. Typically, a hand drawn movie takes four years to complete.

I'm betting on at least one Disney, old school production before the decade is out.

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Indeed. Very much alike in terms of style and vision. Both were/are deeply plugged in to the their respective market. Always looking forward, while never forgetting history. :apple:

And like Steve, Iger was a wrecking ball firing entire groups inside Disney that had their mouse ears surgically grafted to their skulls.
 

CFreymarc

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LOL @ Iger being a genius. That word has lost all meaning

You are right. There are plenty of "genius" types hanging out at coffee houses with 130+ IQ's, higher degrees and nearly broke since they never properly applied themselves to something that sustained beyond existence. This is the same crowd that bitches about someone making a fortune off a "simple and stupid" idea.
 

gco212

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This is why it took over twenty years for the sequel to Tron to get the green light.

Back in the early 80's, Eisner was kicking ass and taking names inside a very calcified Disney animation studio. The lack of success that "Pete's Dragon" had was the last nail in the old guard of animators personally hired by Walt himself.

Eisner looked for something new, something different, something ground breaking to take the Disney name. He found a project outside the hallowed drawing tables of Burbank. It was a story about a man sucked into these new computers. The graphics were ground breaking with lots of black light and a "world within a world" that was Tron.

Disney took it since they had no choice. They finished it up, brought in animators that used computers and black light instead of oil brushes and subtractive color filming. Tron did great -- over the top great. Lots of money made.

The old guard working at Disney hated it.

This is why you never saw a Tron ride at any Disney park. The Light Cycle ride that never was is a crying shame. This is why you never saw any Tron adventure on the Disney Channel in the 80's. Tron was the high school quarterback transferred form another school, won the championship but never got into all the cool parties with the neighborhood classmates.

Then -- finally -- the old guard retired. Iger and outsiders not "grown Walt's way" came in. This is how "Tron Legacy" and "Saving Mr. Banks" got the green light. The idea of an actor portraying Walt Disney himself was sacrilege to the Old Guard animators and production managers now living in retirement homes.

Iger did a transformation to Disney the way that Philip Caldwell did to Ford in the 70's. He got the "family" the hell out of the place and looked at modern market needs.

Good job Bob!

That was a well written six paragraphs, but it all ignores that Tron was a minor box office bust, not a success. The sequel was greenighted only because they thought the fan base had grown and there was room for a new film with a much larger audience, but it too underperformed.
 

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I reckon Mickey Mouse uses a Macintosh.

Like all evil geniuses, a custom super computer, Disney branded ;)

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You are right. There are plenty of "genius" types hanging out at coffee houses with 130+ IQ's, higher degrees and nearly broke since they never properly applied themselves to something that sustained beyond existence. This is the same crowd that bitches about someone making a fortune off a "simple and stupid" idea.

Yes, that's assuming you base the term genius on IQ ;) these days it tends to be more based on the "simple and stupid" ideas ...

I believe Apple just paid a fortune for a couple of music geniuses ;)
 

CFreymarc

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That was a well written six paragraphs, but it all ignores that Tron was a minor box office bust, not a success. The sequel was greenighted only because they thought the fan base had grown and there was room for a new film with a much larger audience, but it too underperformed.

The numbers were not that well reported. Back in the early 80's the reporting of box office revenues were not to current agreed conventions.

Many in the business accused Disney of intentionally under-reporting the box office revenues. Some say it was done to curb royalty deals. I don't know if there was any lawsuit and subsequent discovery process to third party audit.

Again, Tron was a "not invented here" film that was crapped on by the Disney Old Guard. The aftermarket VHS and DVD sales spoke for itself.

If Tron 2 underperformed, why is Tron 3 in the works?
 
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billnye97

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His genius has also resulted in what some claim is an abandonment of the spirit of Walt Disney (granted, Disney's spirit wasn't always financially sound). Also diluting the unique brands of the parks. Putting a tracking device on everyone's wrists (which has been a disaster). Creating a caste system amongst guests. Putting a generic gift shop at every exit. Decreasing the number of attractions in spite of growing attendance (after all, longer lines = more people buying magic hours / fast passes / $4.50 bottles of water / extra nights to see everything...). Canceling and downsizing countless much-needed rehab projects to the Florida parks. Getting paid $35 million a year. Avatar Land...

So you consider the Magic Bands trackers while I look at them as convenient way to let me into the park, my room, and even to buy merchandise without the need to take my credit card into the park. Fast passes are free.

I will give you the only way to purchase magic hours is to stay at one of the Disney resorts but some of the other hotels do participate in them (Hilton Buena Vista).

I will say though that the service at the parks is the best that I have encountered and I've been to a lot of amusement parks (Cedar Point, Six Flags, Busch Gardens).
 

Nixie1972

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Again, Tron was a "not invented here" film that was crapped on by the Disney Old Guard. The aftermarket VHS and DVD sales spoke for itself.
Yep!
In "The Pixar Story" documentary John Lasseter tells that the young artists like him (in his twenties) were really blown away with the possibilities of computer animated graphics, but the head of the studio fired him over working out the ideas as it turned out not to be a "cheaper or faster" way to produce animated features. That's how John became available, was hired by Lucas Film. That devision was later spun off and sold to Steve Jobs to become Pixar.
 

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Apple products and Tron: perceptions of success and goodness

Tron (1982)

Enlightening:

… Tron was a minor box office bust, not a success. The sequel was greenighted only because they thought the fan base had grown and there was room for a new film with a much larger audience, but it too underperformed.

I was amazed to learn, from this topic, that Tron could be classed as a 'box office bust'. With help from Google I found a few things. I think it's necessary to examine the likely historic reasons for those figures arising. In DisneyWar: The Battle for the Magic Kingdom - James B. Stewart - Google Books (page unnumbered):

… opened a few weeks after E.T.: the Extraterrestrial and Annie. The competing studios were spending a then astronomical $10 million each on advertising and marketing campaigns. Walker refused to raise the miniscule marketing budget … the only publicity worth the money was free. … still refused to increase advertising, insisting that word of mouth would come to the rescue. …

In Tron and on | TG Daily (2011-11-28), David Konow expresses feelings very similar to my own:

I didn't even realize Tron was a flop until years after the fact. … it was a perfect blend of video game fun, and blockbuster thrills. Other movies have tried to bring the thrill of video games to the big screen, and Tron was the only movie that actually succeeded at doing it.

… state of the art for the time.

Harrison Ellenshaw was the visual effects artist of the film, and as he told me, "Tron was the first extensive use of computer graphics in a motion picture, almost fifteen minutes worth. Up until that time, it was maybe up to a minute at most in Westworld." 



… 1982 was an insane summer for genre films with E.T., Star Trek II, The Road Warrior, Poltergeist, The Thing, and Blade Runner.

Tron creator Steve Lisberg felt, "Graphically and visually a lot of people can't handle that much art. It was like we put LSD in the punchbowl at the school prom, and it was just way more than they could handle. I thought Tron was gonna blow people's minds, but people don't want their minds blown by Disney, they want to be reassured by them. And the idea that Disney was gonna mess with your head was almost incomprehensible to the vast majority."

… current following is strong enough that the film warranted a sequel last year. Back in the day, Tron was a major pioneer in digital effects … "It's had this life, and now I don't think it's ever going away."

For me, Tron was right up there with the others listed by Konow. Critically:
  • I don't recall having any Disney-related preconception, in 1982, of how the movie should – or should not – mess with my head.
As things turned out, I found the mess extremely pleasing.

For more than enough filmgoers in 1982, Tron was unquestionably a good film; a success.

After the event I can be shown any number of facts that have the potential to detract from that success. To me, the happy customer, those facts do not devalue the product; the film was "bloody fantastic".​

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In The Top 10 Tech Movies of the Millennium – TIME (2014-04-03), Ben Taylor precedes his list with an apology for the timeframe not including "2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) and Tron (1982)".

Box office: 'How Do You Know' flops; 'Tron' doesn't; and like the bear himself, 'Yogi' is soft [Updated] | Company Town | Los Angeles Times (2010-12-19)

‘Tron’ reboots Disney history, too | Variety (2010-12-04)

In the Internet Archive Wayback Machine, from 2003: Tron Sector – 'Creating the Memories' is Bill Kroyer's adaptation of his 1995 keynote (http://www.tron-sector.com/articles/article.aspx?id=218 referred from page 208 of 'Inventing the Movies: Hollywood's Epic Battle Between Innovation and the Status Quo, from Thomas Edison to Steve Jobs' (Scott Kirsner, 2008).

Also from 'DisneyWar: The Battle for the Magic Kingdom', on the same page that discusses Tron:

… Walt had felt constrained by the Disney brand. As he put it in one outburst, "I've worked my whole life to create the image of what 'Walt Disney' is. It's not me. I smoke, and I drink, and all the things that we don't want the public to think about." …

Cultures

If I could have a MacRumors top ten, CFreymarc's post would be there. It's equally enlightening.

These parts are most interesting:

… The lack of success that "Pete's Dragon" had was the last nail in the old guard of animators personally hired by Walt himself.

… Tron did great -- over the top great. Lots of money made.

The old guard working at Disney hated it.

… finally -- the old guard retired. Iger and outsiders not "grown Walt's way" came in. This is how "Tron Legacy" and "Saving Mr. Banks" got the green light. The idea of an actor portraying Walt Disney himself was sacrilege to the Old Guard animators and production managers now living in retirement homes.

Iger did a transformation to Disney the way that Philip Caldwell did to Ford in the 70's. He got the "family" the hell out of the place and looked at modern market needs.

Good job Bob!

The names Philip Caldwell and Bob Iger were unknown to me before this topic. Were their jobs well done? I have no idea, neither do I have any special interest in the organisations.

CFreymarc's post is in my top ten for provoking thought about old and new cultures within Apple. (Should I say, old guard? I don't know. It's for each individual, within the old and the new, to know whether their self-perceptions include shared guardianship of a way of doing something. And I don't expect those individuals to publicise their perceptions, not in MacRumors. But for now, I'll go with 'guard'.)

There were historic approaches to animation, traditional media (reels of film, various technologies) traditionally presented on the big screen. The bigger the better.

In 2014 things are very different. Yes, it's convenient to watch something at a moment's notice on a relatively tiny screen … but will a majority of film fans ever agree that smaller is better? I doubt it. An obscenely expensive colossal screen at home can't come close to, say, the IMAX experience (I have never been but from what everyone tells me, nothing beats the IMAX experience so for now, I'll go with that as 'the best').

An old guard and 'the best'

With those two things in mind, I'll should continue this thread in a topic with a different focus. Maybe Apple’s Software Quality Decline …
 

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Tron was amazing. The arcade game was amazing. Disney had the youth of the day by the balls.... and they let go.
 

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Yep!
In "The Pixar Story" documentary John Lasseter tells that the young artists like him (in his twenties) were really blown away with the possibilities of computer animated graphics, but the head of the studio fired him over working out the ideas as it turned out not to be a "cheaper or faster" way to produce animated features. That's how John became available, was hired by Lucas Film. That devision was later spun off and sold to Steve Jobs to become Pixar.

You just quoted a part of my career tract and how I know this. The Tron project going into Disney was disruptive to say the least. Many animators going back to Mary Popins freaked out seeing an "ugly black machine" knock out frames instead of them being hand drawn.

One meeting, an old animator on the Tron project didn't even have basic algebra skills and screamed out, "There is too much math and not enough art here!" The fact Tron was reelased on schdule was a miracle on its own.
 
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