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Kaibelf

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Angela needs to go ASAP their stores are horrible to visit. Absolutely horrid. And Craig needs to call terminex and get rid of those bugs.

Those stores pull in more money per square foot than any other retailer on earth. Do you have any actual suggestions for changes that would improve it? And are there any actual grievances you have aside from saying “horrid” and perhaps saying they are too busy?
 
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Carnegie

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Nothing for Ive?

Mr. Ive isn't a director or 10% owner, and isn't considered an officer for Section 16 purposes, so he isn't subject to Section 16 reporting requirements. That means a Form 4 doesn't need to be filed when, e.g., he receives stock pursuant to an RSU award or when he sells AAPL stock.
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You know, more than one kind of understanding is at work here. Perhaps what you don't understand is how stock compensation is used to avoid income taxes. Because it isn't enough that executive compensation in U.S. far greater than in any other industrialized nation, and the gap between what they take home and everybody else continues to grow, but they have also earned the right to pay a lower tax rate. So while as a longtime Apple stockholder I am grateful for the performance of this company and to the people who make it happen, I remain capable of understanding more than one thing at a time.

How does this kind of equity compensation allow them to avoid income taxes?

This kind of equity compensation is taxed as ordinary income based on the value of the stock when it vests (or, more generally, when the employee gains effective control over it). For tax purposes it is effectively treated the same as if they had been paid that amount in cash. The rate they pay on it is the same.

If they hold the stock, subsequent gains (or losses) in its value are treated as capital gains (or losses). That too represents much the same treatment as would be the case if they were paid cash and chose to buy stock with it. There isn't an income tax advantage to being paid through these kinds of RSU awards rather than in cash. That's not why executive compensation is often structured this way.
 

nutriousmitten

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Can't be avoided anymore with the size of Apple, but it's petty easy to see how creativity can be stifled when you've gone likely 5-10 managers directly under each of those pictured, and then probably a bunch of managers below those managers and so on.

With each of those managers looking out for themselves on the end to climb the ladder to eventually get to be the next Executive, backstabbing, office politics, egos, and personalities, all get in the way of fostering ideas and moving them forward, especially under a guy like Cook.

Apple under Jobs had the same issues, but sounds like Steve Jobs would be the guy that would be able to see through the BS if any level of manager or executive was mailing it in or stifling ideas coming from below, without care about who he offends or whose ego he bruises. He wouldn't care about playing politics and disdained those who did.

Not so sure there is that strong personality there that is rocking the boat like Steve did, for better or worse, and becuase of that, you wonder if there isn't that same edge at Apple like there was.
 

thadoggfather

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Well that's nice

Just your average Every day Joe's receipt of $19mil in stock

The notch made it all worth it
 

4jasontv

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And still people seem to not understand the value these men and women bring to the company as well as the other drivers to price increases.

You mean "men and woman."

Company value doubled since 2014? I'm not a fan of Apple anymore but can't deny they're doing business right.

I can't deny they are doing business. If they are doing it right is a different story.
 

FactVsOpinion

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Sure, you could tell by the glued products they've put out lately.

Sell more crap != better products.

My AirPods are full of glue and they are the best product I’ve bought in years.
 
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Kaledatheone

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And still people seem to not understand the value these men and women bring to the company as well as the other drivers to price increases.

Some deserve the shares but what has Ahrendts done to merit any of that booty?
 

Cosmosent

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Take away the Dividends & the Stock Buyback Program AND none of them would get awarded anything !

This payout proves ONLY ONE THING, that the Board is incompetent !

Apple's strategy is littered with Flaws, but the Board has a Blind Eye !
 

FactVsOpinion

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It's not the executives at the top, rather the teams they oversee that actually engineer the products and make it all possible. Never forget that.

Teams are led. Leaders can have or they can lack vision and direction.

Steve Jobs certainly did have great employees under him, but he was a critical part of the equation in, for example, the development of the Mac, and the iPhone.
 

teamd

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Besides the two on the left, all look like douchebags, Federighi is no 1.
 

69Mustang

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In between a rock and a hard place
Those stores pull in more money per square foot than any other retailer on earth.
/drunk dude yells
"Yeah, but does it pull <giggles> in more than a <giggles s'more> a retailer on <can't stop giggling>"
/another drunk dude yells
"Your butt! A retailer on your butt! <whispers in ear> I mean Uranus. Does it pull in more than Uranus?"

-overheard in a bar on State St
 
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macTW

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Actually, everybody knows they're fat cats and they're just pulling all the cash in, because they were lucky enough to go to a good school, and get a good job, where they can take advantage of the little guy who does all the real work. Steve wasn't kidding, the products are literally magic. Duh.
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Disadvantaged*
“Lucky”

You disvalidated your opinion. Jealous?
 

thadoggfather

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Dripping with bile and jealousy. Sad that people can’t be happy for other people’s success.

I'm happy for their success.

Now I wish Silicon Valley would stop being so self congratulatory and get back to the grind
 

Soccertess

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bahahah.. Angela Ahrendts.. Someone, please tell me what she has done to make Apple more profitable? She is the biggest waste of space. Take those millions and give out some free dongles!

Apple is suffering, god do their products suck. Come on.. Wireless charging - Qi (5 year old standard that sucks)? Dongles? Siri (OMG, if people could use google now siri would have a 1% adoption rate) While i was impressed with Airpods, macbooks really are quite sad these days.

Tim and Angela need to go, Eddy cue needs to go too for not doing anything with Siri all these years. Can't believe these tards get so much for making half ass products. And Riccio should be put on notice for how much macbooks sucks (even their dongle are weak and suck these days!)
 
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IJ Reilly

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How does this kind of equity compensation allow them to avoid income taxes?

This kind of equity compensation is taxed as ordinary income based on the value of the stock when it vests (or, more generally, when the employee gains effective control over it). For tax purposes it is effectively treated the same as if they had been paid that amount in cash. The rate they pay on it is the same.

If they hold the stock, subsequent gains (or losses) in its value are treated as capital gains (or losses). That too represents much the same treatment as would be the case if they were paid cash and chose to buy stock with it. There isn't an income tax advantage to being paid through these kinds of RSU awards rather than in cash. That's not why executive compensation is often structured this way.

Yes you are right about RSUs. Then again, taxes are basically added into the value of the RSU, so it's pretty difficult for the receiver of an RSU to lose anything in the bargain. Also, ISOs and NSOs are taxed quite differently. The difference between the exercise price and the market price is treated as a capital gain.
 

MH01

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bahahah.. Angela Ahrendts.. Someone, please tell me what she has done to make Apple more profitable? She is the biggest waste of space. Take those millions and give out some free dongles!

Apple is suffering, god do their products suck. Come on.. Wireless charging that is such Qi (5 year old standard that sucks)? Dongles? Siri (OMG, if people could use google now siri would have a 1% adoption rate) While i was impressed with Airpods, macbooks really are quite sad these days.

Tim and Angela need to go, Eddy cue needs to go too for not doing anything with Siri all these years. Can't believe these tards get so much for making half ass products. And Riccio should be put on notice for how much macbooks sucks (even their dongle are weak and suck these days!)

Watch bands.... She has helped to pioneer Apple from a tech company for the average user to a fashion company pushing gimmicks, aimed at the rich.

from a retail point of view, for me, she has made pre-ordering a waste of time, as retail will get the item before my long preorder comes in. Looked at a new ATV 4K last week, the worst time was online, followed by retail in about a month, and John Lewis had them in stock . Shopping directly at Apple is no longer a good experience, if you want a new product....
 

apolloa

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Time, because it rules EVERYTHING!
Apple should reward the people below them that do all the hard work. I’ve not seen anything to warrant these VP payments.

Yes you have! Massive profits increasing year on year mostly, nearly a trillion dollar net value thanks to insultingly ridiculous share prices..
Some on here love them all for that...

Execs are measured by the balance sheets and share prices.
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Watch bands.... She has helped to pioneer Apple from a tech company for the average user to a fashion company pushing gimmicks, aimed at the rich.

from a retail point of view, for me, she has made pre-ordering a waste of time, as retail will get the item before my long preorder comes in. Looked at a new ATV 4K last week, the worst time was online, followed by retail in about a month, and John Lewis had them in stock . Shopping directly at Apple is no longer a good experience, if you want a new product....

John Lewis offer the same if not better customer service too.
 
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MH01

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Yes you have! Massive profits increasing year on year mostly, nearly a trillion dollar net value thanks to insultingly ridiculous share prices..
Some on here love them all for that...

Execs are measured by the balance sheets and share prices.
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John Lewis offer the same if not better customer service too.

Yeah JL is great, sadly I got here now instead of apple. Apple will just not have a new product on stock, and retail staff push you to online which has the worst delivery times. No idea what Anglea has done in her time as retail chief.... maybe those watch tables that resemble selffridges watch collections .... retail as a place of "community" what BS, just sell apple products
 
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They all use the company as their personal piggy bank. Despicable. Rising prices, whilst releasing subpar products, and giving themselves a nice injection of cash every year. It's almost criminal.

They don't care about the customers. They care about how they can make themselves richer. All this money proves they could afford to cut prices across the board by about 20% and be absolutely fine. But they won't do that, because it means they can't pay themselves as much.

I have no idea how some of you walk around apologising for Apple when literally all they're doing it selling you over priced products to make their own personal wealth much bigger than yours will ever be.

Capitalism works for the few, not the many.
 
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