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Marinna

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Oct 25, 2019
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Whilst I believe this drive cage should have been included with the Mac Pro (or at least offered as a BTO option), all things considered it’s actually value for money relative to the cost of the Mac Pro line-up.

The Promise Pegasus MPX module is a no-go in my opinion, not because of the price, but because it wasn’t designed for maximum airflow since the arrangement of the drives - 2 at the front, 2 at the back - prevents the rear drives from getting the same amount of cooling. I’ve heard from several customers complaining about the temps/fan activity too.

A PCIe SSD mount is another option, but for huge amounts of storage I imagine this Sonnet caddy plus some HDDs would be the better option, and for the type of customers this computer attracts, it’s a relatively small price.

Promise Pegasus MPX module is a no-go for me not from heat dissipation point of view. It is the RAID 5 they use that is dangerous. (you should use either RAID6 or RAID5 with additional copy somewhere else) In fact if you Google it you can find almost every IT professionals against of using RAID5 on mechanical drive. The mass amount of reconstruction work will make a second drive failure more than an unlikely event. It is safer only for SSD assuming read failure are not likely.

IMO you should not try to mount large drives in a machine that is designed for maximizing performance. Making your editing from a SSD or NVMe volume. Once it's done move the archive to an external drive connected to Mac Pro either by Thunderbolt or 10Gb ethernet NAS. This type of mounting cage makes absolutely no sense for Mac Pro.
 

Apple Knowledge Navigator

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Mar 28, 2010
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The Mac pro is so RIDICULOUSLY OVER EXPENSIVE, no one is buying them.
Now this overpriced nothing is $200?
$25 maybe... :/
... I beg your pardon?

(Contrary to your "no one is buying them" statistic, an Apple business rep whom I contacted two months ago said that sales calls about the machine were non-stop)
 

Digital Skunk

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Promise Pegasus MPX module is a no-go for me not from heat dissipation point of view. It is the RAID 5 they use that is dangerous. (you should use either RAID6 or RAID5 with additional copy somewhere else) In fact if you Google it you can find almost every IT professionals against of using RAID5 on mechanical drive. The mass amount of reconstruction work will make a second drive failure more than an unlikely event. It is safer only for SSD assuming read failure are not likely.

IMO you should not try to mount large drives in a machine that is designed for maximizing performance. Making your editing from a SSD or NVMe volume. Once it's done move the archive to an external drive connected to Mac Pro either by Thunderbolt or 10Gb ethernet NAS. This type of mounting cage makes absolutely no sense for Mac Pro.

Most of what you’re saying is spot on, but it’s not relevant to the use cases for 2-3 internal HDDs in the MacPro. Not every drive is for back up, and not every end user is worried about rebuilding a RAID if a drive fails. The point is to be able to recover the data if the drive fails.

The reconstruction work necessary is moot given that you can reconstruct and pull your data off. At that point, the cost of buying new drives for the entire array is small. Also, if a user builds an array with 3-5 drives and 2 fail back to back then it’s a problem with the drives, not the RAID or the enclosure. Certainly a bad batch.

SSDs will always be safer, but most end-users looking to build an array are balancing speed, size, and cost. If they have $4000 to spend on a large, SSD array then perfect, but some need more than 12-16TBs, and mechanical is the best way to go.

Editing from SSD or NVMe poses the same problems. Speed, size, cost, etc. are all considerations in post production. If my project is 13TBs the array to store the files will cost me more with SSDs over mechanical for a not too much faster increase in speed.

Now as for the cage, again, every upgrade is going to be based on end user needs. Not everyone has the money for an SSD raid array and not everyone needs the fastest drives available. ProTools users have TBs of loops and data to store and don’t need SSDs to access it.

Freelance editors (using ProTools as well) who have libraries of templates, loops, filters, music, etc. also have to store their files close, don’t need them to be on an SSD, and don’t need them clogging up their system drive.

Some editors prefer to have internal scratch either as JBOD or in some form of RAID.

Others like myself like to backup the workstation on internal disks, as well as remote. So having 36TBs inside of the machine, (i.e. not needing an external enclosure, power, cabling) of regular hard disks isn’t a bad idea.

(Contrary to your "no one is buying them" statistic, an Apple business rep whom I contacted two months ago said that sales calls about the machine were non-stop)

I would second this, and add that it’s in no way expensive ... certainly not OVER expensive. It’s priced right at the bottom end of most large workstations. Albeit the MacPro is only single socket, while offerings from Dell and HP are dual (and I think quad, but I’ve never had to buy anything with four processors in it).

The Mac Pro is selling extremely well for those that need it or find value in it. As I’ve said before, it’s a machine that will last well into and maybe beyond a decade, even with Apple switching to ARM.
 

jlaylor

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Oct 30, 2000
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Ingleside, TX


Sonnet earlier this year announced the launch of the Fusion Flex J3i internal drive mount, which is designed to let users add up to three SATA storage drives to the 2019 Mac Pro.

etc. etc.

I just got mine today from amazon.

Compared to the Promis j2i, it's pretty good. cheaper. solid cables. the USB third drive is weird (more on that later).

Internal drives boot so you now have a fully bootable backup if you need or want it. Time Machine is also back to an internal drive (which I much prefer for security purposes). I tried it out with 2 SSD drives and, of course, 6gB drives go full speed (expected of course).

You can not boot from the USB because of the nature of the T2 chip, but you can boot from either of the internal SATA drives. Cool. You can also RAID 0 or JBOD, and it's still bootable. also cool. The USB3 drive can be another SSD or you can connect it to one of your other drives. the possibilities are endless (if you attach it to one of the 2 main drives, the cable will bend against the fan-out, so try not to mess with it too much).

quick note on those who don't want to spend 200 bucks on a hunk of metal and wires - this works... flawlessly:


the very old Newertech extender adapter still works - you can attach eSATA 3 or 6Gb external drives (raids preferably). I have some older RAIDs that I needed to copy to my new MP 2019, and this filled the bill nicely (6 bucks).

I recommend this almost entirely because 10.15.5s seems to have some major problems with external drives on thunderbolt. The 2 internal connectors, connected to 2 12-16TB drives make a great backup, or put in 2 6gb SSD's for a fast workspace (I tried putting all my Parallels images instead of my TB external raid and it worked very well).
 

homegrownhero

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Jul 26, 2017
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more like milking the Mac Pro group.


with a 1000 unit minimum it shouldn’t cost most than $10-$15 (even less) to Manufacture and import into the US. I have been in manufacturing in China and that’s all it takes. I would rather invest in a DAS with 4-5 bays.

Man I don't disagree with you. Maybe a GPU upgrade for me.
Besides, VESA mounts all the way
 

LukeMacPro

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Jun 4, 2022
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Hey guys, I know it's been a while since this topic was active but I've just installed a new Sonnet J3i with 3x new 4tb Sandisk Ultra SSDs set up as a 12TB Raid0 in my 2019 Mac Pro. I am getting a consistant fail on the 1xSSD connected via the USB cable as opposed to the 2xSSD coneected via SATA cables. Has anoyone else encountered this issue or do you think I may just have a duff drive? Thanks
 
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