Template:Did you know nominations/Battle of New Carthage

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:34, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Battle of New Carthage

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... that after a failed Roman assault at the Battle of New Carthage, the romans launched a second assault in the afternoon, surprising the Carthaginian army? Source: Goldsworthy, Adrian (2004) [2003]. In the Name of Rome: The Men Who Won the Roman Empire. London: Phoenix. ISBN 978-0-7538-1789-6. Page 62-63 , Goldsworthy, Adrian (2006) [2000]. The Fall of Carthage: The Punic Wars 265–146 BC. London: Phoenix. ISBN 978-0-304-36642-2. Page 274 , Lowe, Benedict J (2000). "Polybius 10.10.12 and the Existence of Salt-Flats at Carthago Nova". Phoenix. Classical Association of Canada. 54 (1/2 (Spring - Summer)): 39–52. doi:10.2307/1089089. JSTOR 1089089. page 42
- ALT1: ... that the martial booty seized by the Romans after the Battle of New Carthage, containing 63 merchant ships, numerous catapults, large amounts of weapons, and more, has been described as "colossal"? Source: Hoyos, Dexter (2003). Hannibal's Dynasty: Power and Politics in the Western Mediterranean, 247–183 BC. London: Routledge. ISBN 978-0-203-41782-9. Page 144 , Bagnall, Nigel (1999). The Punic Wars: Rome, Carthage and the Struggle for the Mediterranean. London: Pimlico. ISBN 978-0-7126-6608-4. Page 209
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/German submarine U-1206

Improved to Good Article status by Gog the Mild (talk) and Ifly6 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 18:51, 24 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Battle of New Carthage; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

I would prefer the second element rather than the former. J H Richardson CQ 68 (2018) 458ff raises pretty reasonable doubts – largely about physical impossibility – as to why we shouldn't entirely believe the ancient stories of the city's capture. Ifly6 (talk) 19:03, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Just in case there is trouble regarding this down the road, can I note that I was unaware of this article's nomination for DYK until just now, three days after the event. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Reviewer needed. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- ALT1 is a good hook but perhaps a little long (199 characters): how about cutting to "... that the martial booty seized by the Romans after the Battle of New Carthage included 63 merchant ships, numerous catapults, large amounts of weapons and more?" UndercoverClassicist (talk) 18:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
  - (Labeling the above as ALT1b) Edge3 (talk) 01:05, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Approve ALT1b, may accept ALT1. Article was nominated within 7 days of achieving GA. Clearly long enough. Neutral and well-cited. All sources offline, accepted in good faith. Earwig only flagged the titles of sources, so no copyvio detected. QPQ done. I note that the article is currently at FAC.

All proposed hooks are sourced to offline sources. ALT0 is questioned (see comment by Ifly6 above and also on article's talk page). ALT1 is compliant with the rules (just barely below the character limit), but I much prefer and approve UndercoverClassicist's shorter version ALT1b. Edge3 (talk) 01:05, 20 June 2023 (UTC)