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Plan to redirect inactive VisualEditor feedback pages for some wikis to mediawiki.org
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Basic steps:

  • Wait until that page gets converted to Flow.
  • Wait until it's possible for mediawiki.feedback to post to Flow on a different wiki.
  • Wait until it's possible for VisualEditor's use of mediawiki.feedback to post a different wiki.
  • Message all affected wikis: sl, min, ru, fo, da, el, et, id, kk, mr, ms, no, ro, sco, sk, sq, tl, vi, ca, pt, pl, uk, zh.
  • Change the configurations for the local wikis.
  • Redirect all the pages.

Steps #4 and #5 are easily reversible, if any given small wiki wants to directly support their own page.
Step #3 needs consensus that feedback can be given in any language if one doesn't feel like using English and/or posting to Phabricator directly. Editors should be aware though that Google Translate does an awful job when it comes to technical language, and may want to find an intermediary instead to make sure their message is properly understood and triaged.

Once we centralize the feedback pages, we'll be watching how things go, and then re-evaluate the situation after a while.

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Subject Repo Branch Lines +/-
Centralise all VisualEditor feedback pages except for a few wikis operations/mediawiki-config master +17 -2
VisualEditor: Centralise feedback from test2wiki to MediaWiki.org operations/mediawiki-config master +1 -0
Let the feedback tool be configured for a remote wiki mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor master +19 -3
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• Elitre created this task.Mar 13 2015, 7:26 PM
• Elitre raised the priority of this task from to Needs Triage.
• Elitre updated the task description. (Show Details)
• Elitre added a project: Community-Relations-Support.
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• Whatamidoing-WMF updated the task description. (Show Details)Mar 13 2015, 9:07 PM
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• Elitre moved this task from Backlog to To-do on the Community-Relations-Support board.Mar 16 2015, 4:13 PM
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• Elitre triaged this task as Low priority.May 22 2015, 9:44 AM
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Quiddity mentioned this in T92303: Convert LQT pages on MediaWiki.org to Flow (tracking).Jun 24 2015, 12:43 AM
• Elitre added a subscriber: Quiddity.Jul 12 2015, 2:23 AM

@Quiddity, is step #2 now fixed?
Please remember "Hold VE/Feedback until we can review with the Communications & Editing team. and before converting give a 2-3 days warning to T98465 and T92661 so that CLs can prepare and send messaging beforehand."
(this means, at least after Wikimania).
• Elitre added a subtask: T90523: Detect LTR/RTL directionality on a per-post basis when it's saved.Aug 12 2015, 3:03 PM
Ricordisamoa subscribed.Aug 12 2015, 8:17 PM
• Elitre renamed this task from Plan to redirect inactive VisualEditor feedback pages for small wikis to mediawiki.org to Plan to redirect inactive VisualEditor feedback pages for some wikis to mediawiki.org.Aug 26 2015, 4:59 PM
• Elitre added a subtask: T100011: MediaWiki's feedback tool interface is confusing, and may make it unclear how to submit reports.Aug 28 2015, 3:51 PM
• Elitre moved this task from To-do to In the works on the Community-Relations-Support board.Sep 3 2015, 2:14 PM
Jdforrester-WMF subscribed.Sep 5 2015, 12:04 AM

Elitre added a blocking task: T100011: MediaWiki's feedback tool interface is confusing.

That's quite a lot of development effort with no clear owner. Can we justify it?
Quiddity mentioned this in T111590: Allow cross-wiki target for MediaWiki's feedback tool.Sep 5 2015, 12:42 AM
Quiddity added a subtask: T111590: Allow cross-wiki target for MediaWiki's feedback tool.
• Elitre added a comment.Sep 7 2015, 3:57 PM
In T92661#1611072, @Jdforrester-WMF wrote:

Elitre added a blocking task: T100011: MediaWiki's feedback tool interface is confusing.

That's quite a lot of development effort with no clear owner. Can we justify it?

I'm assuming you only mean, why I added it as a blocker?
• Elitre closed subtask T98465: Message wikis about upcoming transition to centralized VE feedback as Resolved.Sep 8 2015, 7:58 AM
Sunpriat subscribed.Sep 25 2015, 8:27 AM

Wait until it's possible for mediawiki.feedback to post to Flow.

Bots delivering news can now create topics in Flow. If I replace MediaWiki:Visualeditor-feedback-link locally to mw:VisualEditor/Feedback - topics will be normally created in the Flow?
• Elitre added a comment.Sep 25 2015, 8:33 AM

I'm not sure if T111590 would play a role there.
Jdforrester-WMF updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 10 2015, 7:33 PM
In T92661#1614139, @Elitre wrote:
In T92661#1611072, @Jdforrester-WMF wrote:

Elitre added a blocking task: T100011: MediaWiki's feedback tool interface is confusing.

That's quite a lot of development effort with no clear owner. Can we justify it?

I'm assuming you only mean, why I added it as a blocker?

Yes.
gerritbot subscribed.Dec 10 2015, 7:36 PM

Change 258199 had a related patch set uploaded (by Jforrester):
Let the feedback tool be configured for a remote wiki

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258199
gerritbot added a project: Patch-For-Review.Dec 10 2015, 7:36 PM
Legoktm closed subtask T111590: Allow cross-wiki target for MediaWiki's feedback tool as Resolved.Dec 10 2015, 7:40 PM
gerritbot added a comment.Dec 10 2015, 8:14 PM

Change 258206 had a related patch set uploaded (by Jforrester):
Centralise VisualEditor feedback pages except for de/en/es/frwiki

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258206
Jdforrester-WMF added a comment.Dec 10 2015, 8:16 PM

Do we have a list of the wikis we'd want to retain local feedback pages for?
• Elitre added a comment.Dec 10 2015, 8:27 PM

Yes, it's at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98465#1615686 .

As per the feedback tool interface instead, whenever I have to test something related, I keep making the "mistakes" reported in the related task.
It's not foolproof, and while I'm sure everyone else is smarter than me, it makes me sad that we are ready to make that tool available to even more people without at least fixing a few design things which didn't require an overhaul or anything (according to opinions in that task).
gerritbot added a comment.Dec 10 2015, 10:04 PM

Change 258199 merged by jenkins-bot:
Let the feedback tool be configured for a remote wiki

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258199
Jdforrester-WMF updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 10 2015, 10:05 PM
Jdforrester-WMF added a comment.Dec 10 2015, 10:13 PM
In T92661#1870617, @Elitre wrote:

Yes, it's at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98465#1615686 .

OK, that's configured at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/258206/ and ready to go on your orders.

As per the feedback tool interface instead, whenever I have to test something related, I keep making the "mistakes" reported in the related task.
It's not foolproof, and while I'm sure everyone else is smarter than me, it makes me sad that we are ready to make that tool available to even more people without at least fixing a few design things which didn't require an overhaul or anything (according to opinions in that task).

Yeah. :-(
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AdHuikeshoven subscribed.Dec 11 2015, 3:39 PM
• Elitre added a comment.EditedDec 14 2015, 4:07 PM

@Jdforrester-WMF, isn't T90523 still a blocker though?
Also, please add bn.wp and hu.wp to the list of opted-out wikis, thanks.
• Elitre mentioned this in T121413: Q3 personal goal: Supporting new feedback practices, like the centralization of VE feedback on mw.org.Dec 14 2015, 5:05 PM
gerritbot added a comment.Dec 14 2015, 6:46 PM

Change 259041 had a related patch set uploaded (by Jforrester):
VisualEditor: Centralise feedback from test2wiki to MediaWiki.org

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259041
gerritbot added a comment.Dec 15 2015, 4:22 PM

Change 259041 merged by jenkins-bot:
VisualEditor: Centralise feedback from test2wiki to MediaWiki.org

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259041
• Elitre added a parent task: T121413: Q3 personal goal: Supporting new feedback practices, like the centralization of VE feedback on mw.org.Dec 15 2015, 5:54 PM
• Elitre moved this task from In the works to To-do on the Community-Relations-Support board.
• Elitre updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 15 2015, 6:13 PM

I marked the messaging point as done. James, so far we've been talking about Wikipedias. Other projects don't have a feedback page AFAIK. Will the feedback tool point to mw.org for all of them?
• Elitre moved this task from To-do to Jan '16 on the Community-Relations-Support board.Dec 15 2015, 6:15 PM
Teles subscribed.Dec 16 2015, 12:48 AM
• Elitre updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 18 2015, 4:04 PM
Qgil moved this task from Jan '16 to January-March 2016 on the Community-Relations-Support board.Jan 13 2016, 12:50 AM
Jdforrester-WMF added a comment.Jan 15 2016, 8:17 PM
In T92661#1881483, @Elitre wrote:

James, so far we've been talking about Wikipedias. Other projects don't have a feedback page AFAIK.

That's correct.

Will the feedback tool point to mw.org for all of them?

Yes, unless a wiki might necessitate a local one at some point (when we can of course change things).
Jdforrester-WMF added a comment.Jan 15 2016, 8:23 PM
In T92661#1877859, @Elitre wrote:

@Jdforrester-WMF, isn't T90523 still a blocker though?

I'm not sure it should be?

Also, please add bn.wp and hu.wp to the list of opted-out wikis, thanks.

Done. List is now: Arabic, Bengali, German, English, Spanish, Farsi, Finnish, French, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Dutch, Swedish, Cantonese, and a few wikis where we can't because they're private or other technical issues.
• Elitre updated the task description. (Show Details)Jan 18 2016, 11:11 AM
• Elitre added a subtask: T122414: Feedback tool doesn't require the subject, and posting fails when the page points to a Flow board if the subject isn't required.Jan 18 2016, 11:29 AM
Jdforrester-WMF closed subtask T122414: Feedback tool doesn't require the subject, and posting fails when the page points to a Flow board if the subject isn't required as Resolved.Jan 18 2016, 6:39 PM
• Elitre added a comment.Jan 21 2016, 3:38 PM

Hindi doesn't have a feedback page, though. (As in, it never really had one. Even the "default" one has basically been collecting dust since forever).
gerritbot added a comment.Feb 1 2016, 4:23 PM

Change 258206 merged by jenkins-bot:
Centralise all VisualEditor feedback pages except for a few wikis

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258206
Jdforrester-WMF closed this task as Resolved.Feb 1 2016, 4:34 PM
Jdforrester-WMF removed subtasks: T100011: MediaWiki's feedback tool interface is confusing, and may make it unclear how to submit reports, T90523: Detect LTR/RTL directionality on a per-post basis when it's saved.
Jdforrester-WMF edited projects, added VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki, Wikimedia-Site-requests; removed Patch-For-Review.
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• Elitre added a comment.Feb 3 2016, 9:14 AM

I believe the description can only be updated after T125400 is fixed.
• Elitre updated the task description. (Show Details)Feb 3 2016, 10:55 AM
Jdforrester-WMF moved this task from To Triage to TR1: Releases on the VisualEditor board.Feb 3 2016, 10:38 PM
• Elitre updated the task description. (Show Details)Oct 6 2017, 9:28 AM
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• Elitre updated the task description. (Show Details)Oct 6 2017, 9:29 AM
• Whatamidoing-WMF mentioned this in T224851: Please centralize enwiki's feedback for VisualEditor .Jun 3 2019, 5:28 AM
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